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The Freelance Episode 💰

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A tartalmat a iteration podcast, John Jacob, and JP Sio - Web Developers biztosítja. Az összes podcast-tartalmat, beleértve az epizódokat, grafikákat és podcast-leírásokat, közvetlenül a iteration podcast, John Jacob, and JP Sio - Web Developers vagy a podcast platform partnere tölti fel és biztosítja. Ha úgy gondolja, hogy valaki az Ön engedélye nélkül használja fel a szerzői joggal védett művét, kövesse az itt leírt folyamatot https://hu.player.fm/legal.

Iteration: A weekly podcast about programming, development, and design.

JP's Experience

  • Minimal
  • Often saying "yes" too frequently
  • This year I only said yes to opportunities I could deliver on
  • Doing consulting work for friends.... 🤔❌
  • I come from a design background where I was known as the "design guy". To this day, people still ask me if I can make logos for them.

John's experience with freelance

  • I started Freelancing in June 2015 (Small Rails work)
  • The last 5 years I've built it into a small agency
  • We did over $350k last year
  • I've been able to travel, have flexible hours, and pick and choose projects and learning.

Pros of freelancing

  • Extra cash (on the side)
  • Flexibility
  • Lot of different projects
  • Less politics
  • You have the power to negotiate and capture your full value with no lost efficiency or politics at play.

Cons of freelance

  • No paid time off
  • No benefits
  • No growth opportunities - You have to be a self-starter
  • Taxes, paperwork business development
  • Sometimes you get boring projects
  • Loneliness
  • Hard to find work at first
  • You have to be paid less than you are worth. That’s capitalism. There has to be a gap between what you cost and the value you provide.
  • Moving from project to project gets hard. You need to be sure you really like / want shallow variety.

Getting started

  • You need to pick a skill/stack/specialty.
  • Make sure you have someone out there who’s paying people for it.
  • People need to understand what you do and who you do it for.
  • “I build Wordpress sites for dentists”
  • “I do Ruby on Rails for medical startups”
  • It positions you as a specialist. Specialists have more authority, less competition and make more money.

How to find clients (at first)

  • Free or discounted work for Nonprofits
  • Upwork / Thumbtack / Craigslist
  • Portfolio work that's as close to a real project as possible
  • Equity work for startups
  • Open source
  • Blogging (my top 2 biggest clients were from my blog)
  • This season shouldn’t last for more than a year. If it does, you may want to consider a "joby job"

Once leads are coming to you:

  • Raise your rate by at least 20% or so every estimate until your rejection rate is over half.
  • If you are landing every bid, it’s a bad sign. You are too cheap.
  • JP's Formula = Hourly rate at his "joby job" ~ $50/hr — double it or triple it

Billing approaches

Fixed Fee

  • Milestone payments
  • You get to a point of your hourly being diluted

Value based billing

  • Milestone payments
  • Understand the business enough to get a sense of the potential value you can provide.
  • Ask lots of questions to really understand their business. Skim books, YouTube anything to be able to speak intelligently about their business needs.
  • Once you quantify the outcome:
    • “You make $300k a year from your website leads now, you think my work could improve that by 20%. That’s $60,000. My services are just an investment of $12,000 that you’ve estimated will give you a return of $60k in your first year”
    • So instead of charging $2k for that static marketing site, you can be confident in charging $12,000 - it’s a small investment for the returns the client says they should get. It’s a deal.
  • Charge more.
    • By pricing yourself “competitively,” you inadvertently signal to them that you’re “average” — and great clients, by definition, aren’t looking for average.
  • It takes time.
  • My average client lead to close has been about 2-3 months in the last 3 years. The average client revenue has been over $50k per client.

Hourly / Retainer Billing

  • Pre-pay is the way I was doing it. Discounts for higher chunks of hours. This worked really well for ongoing development and maintence contracts.

Tools

How to write estimates

  • fixed price
  • Retainer
  • Hourly
  • Value based fixed price

Mistakes / misconceptions

  • it’s a numbers game. This is false! Don’t spray 300 people with a cold email and no context. I get these constantly. Spend 3 hours researching 3 clients you can offer value too. Build a relationship, be a resource, it takes time.
  • Provide a ton of value at a sustainable but low wage.
  • Selling outcomes you don’t fully control. Example: I want this rich interactive functionality on a square space site that I can’t give you admin access for. Not having copy, not having design assets, domain access. Etc.
  • Fixed price billing with a lack of scope.
  • Growing to quickly
  • Having a closed mind to unknown domains.

Taxes + LLC's WTF?

  • In the states - you have to pay taxes (I retain at least 20% of my income)
  • LLC protects you
  • Errors and omissions insurance is good to have as well

Links / Resources

  • Seth Godin Freelancers workshop
  • The business of authority

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Iteration: A weekly podcast about programming, development, and design.

JP's Experience

  • Minimal
  • Often saying "yes" too frequently
  • This year I only said yes to opportunities I could deliver on
  • Doing consulting work for friends.... 🤔❌
  • I come from a design background where I was known as the "design guy". To this day, people still ask me if I can make logos for them.

John's experience with freelance

  • I started Freelancing in June 2015 (Small Rails work)
  • The last 5 years I've built it into a small agency
  • We did over $350k last year
  • I've been able to travel, have flexible hours, and pick and choose projects and learning.

Pros of freelancing

  • Extra cash (on the side)
  • Flexibility
  • Lot of different projects
  • Less politics
  • You have the power to negotiate and capture your full value with no lost efficiency or politics at play.

Cons of freelance

  • No paid time off
  • No benefits
  • No growth opportunities - You have to be a self-starter
  • Taxes, paperwork business development
  • Sometimes you get boring projects
  • Loneliness
  • Hard to find work at first
  • You have to be paid less than you are worth. That’s capitalism. There has to be a gap between what you cost and the value you provide.
  • Moving from project to project gets hard. You need to be sure you really like / want shallow variety.

Getting started

  • You need to pick a skill/stack/specialty.
  • Make sure you have someone out there who’s paying people for it.
  • People need to understand what you do and who you do it for.
  • “I build Wordpress sites for dentists”
  • “I do Ruby on Rails for medical startups”
  • It positions you as a specialist. Specialists have more authority, less competition and make more money.

How to find clients (at first)

  • Free or discounted work for Nonprofits
  • Upwork / Thumbtack / Craigslist
  • Portfolio work that's as close to a real project as possible
  • Equity work for startups
  • Open source
  • Blogging (my top 2 biggest clients were from my blog)
  • This season shouldn’t last for more than a year. If it does, you may want to consider a "joby job"

Once leads are coming to you:

  • Raise your rate by at least 20% or so every estimate until your rejection rate is over half.
  • If you are landing every bid, it’s a bad sign. You are too cheap.
  • JP's Formula = Hourly rate at his "joby job" ~ $50/hr — double it or triple it

Billing approaches

Fixed Fee

  • Milestone payments
  • You get to a point of your hourly being diluted

Value based billing

  • Milestone payments
  • Understand the business enough to get a sense of the potential value you can provide.
  • Ask lots of questions to really understand their business. Skim books, YouTube anything to be able to speak intelligently about their business needs.
  • Once you quantify the outcome:
    • “You make $300k a year from your website leads now, you think my work could improve that by 20%. That’s $60,000. My services are just an investment of $12,000 that you’ve estimated will give you a return of $60k in your first year”
    • So instead of charging $2k for that static marketing site, you can be confident in charging $12,000 - it’s a small investment for the returns the client says they should get. It’s a deal.
  • Charge more.
    • By pricing yourself “competitively,” you inadvertently signal to them that you’re “average” — and great clients, by definition, aren’t looking for average.
  • It takes time.
  • My average client lead to close has been about 2-3 months in the last 3 years. The average client revenue has been over $50k per client.

Hourly / Retainer Billing

  • Pre-pay is the way I was doing it. Discounts for higher chunks of hours. This worked really well for ongoing development and maintence contracts.

Tools

How to write estimates

  • fixed price
  • Retainer
  • Hourly
  • Value based fixed price

Mistakes / misconceptions

  • it’s a numbers game. This is false! Don’t spray 300 people with a cold email and no context. I get these constantly. Spend 3 hours researching 3 clients you can offer value too. Build a relationship, be a resource, it takes time.
  • Provide a ton of value at a sustainable but low wage.
  • Selling outcomes you don’t fully control. Example: I want this rich interactive functionality on a square space site that I can’t give you admin access for. Not having copy, not having design assets, domain access. Etc.
  • Fixed price billing with a lack of scope.
  • Growing to quickly
  • Having a closed mind to unknown domains.

Taxes + LLC's WTF?

  • In the states - you have to pay taxes (I retain at least 20% of my income)
  • LLC protects you
  • Errors and omissions insurance is good to have as well

Links / Resources

  • Seth Godin Freelancers workshop
  • The business of authority

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