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42 Recall This Buck 2: Peter Brown on wealth, charity and managerial bishops in early Christianity (JP)

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A tartalmat a Recall This Book Team biztosítja. Az összes podcast-tartalmat, beleértve az epizódokat, grafikákat és podcast-leírásokat, közvetlenül a Recall This Book Team vagy a podcast platform partnere tölti fel és biztosítja. Ha úgy gondolja, hogy valaki az Ön engedélye nélkül használja fel a szerzői joggal védett művét, kövesse az itt leírt folyamatot https://hu.player.fm/legal.

Our Recall This Buck series began by speaking with Christine Desan of Harvard Law School about how key ideas—and the actual currency, physical coins and bills— underlying the modern monetary system get “invisibilized” with that system’s success, so that seeing money clearly is both harder and more vital. Today, illustrious Princeton historian Peter Brown narrates the emergence, in the 3rd and 4th century AD, of striking new ideas about charity and how to include the poor inside a religious community.

Our focus today is his fascinating observations, in Through the Eye of a Needle: Wealth, the Fall of Rome, and the Making of Christianity in the West, 350-550 AD, on changing conceptions of wealth and treasure in late antiquity and the first centuries of Christianity

Even the very categories of “the wealthy” and “the poor” had to be invented in late Antiquity. Hence the importance of civic euergetism in the Greek and Roman worldview–i.e. benefaction and charity strictly confined to the good of the city. In early Christianity, this was replaced by compensatory almsgiving by the rich to benefit the lowly poor, or beggars. That notion of the rich being “less likely to enter heaven than a camel going through the eye of a needle”–that, says Brown, “was Jesus at its wildest.” Augustine even preached about almsgiving as “like a traveller’s check” that let the rich bank up credit in heaven.

Sandro Botticelli, “Augustine In His Study” (fresco, 1480)

That new metaphor tells us something remarkable about how the fluidity of money in late Antiquity changed everything, even religious beliefs. (Who knew the Romans had the idea of a traveler’s check? Peter Brown, that’s who.) Brown also loves the idea of early Christianity as obsessed with the notion of ends of the earth–Church-planting felt to early practitioners like “a moon-shot.” And he has strong views about how new guiding metaphors emerged inside theological or economic imaginative models–and survive because of their metaphorical or poetic resonance.

But most crucial of all to Brown’s argument about changed ideas of wealth is that Christianity initiated the world-transformational notion of corporate identity–before Oxford, before the East India Company, before IBM. The “managerial Bishop” (Brown’s brilliant coinage) is not wealthy in his own right, but as an agent of “impersonal continuity.” Greek cities were never as impersonal and hence as trans-generationally stable (especially in patronage and finance management) as the Christian Church became in Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.

Brown thinks Foucault got this kind of “pastoralism” in Church leaders partially right. But Foucault–“an old fashioned Catholic in many ways” Brown remarks slyly–underestimated the desire of the Christian community to designate a “consumer-driven” church hierarchy in which they can invest.

Michel Foucault, an unlikely but crucial interlocutor for Peter Brown on the question of the early Church’s “pastoralism.”

Pressed on the question of resonance to our own day, Brown (as a “good semi-Durkheimian of the Mary Douglas variety”) stresses that “these are almost incommensurable societies.” And he does note an ominous Roman parallel in present-day “personalization of power”–understanding the odious Putin by reading Seneca. Nonetheless, Brown makes clear his enduring admiration for Late Antiquity–compared to classical Greece and perhaps to our own day–because of its “remarkable tolerance for anomaly.” Brown has that too, more power to him!

Mentioned in the Episode

Peter Brown, Body and Society (1968)

Peter Brown,. Augustine of Hippo: A Biography (1968)

Peter Brown, The Cult of the Saints (1981)

Peter Brown, The Ransom of the Soul (2015)

Evelyne Patlagean, Pauvreté économique et pauvreté sociale à Byzance, 4e-7e siè (Economic Poverty and Social Poverty)

Augustine, Confessions (c. 400 AD and many other works available here )

Michel Foucault, Security, Territory, Population: Lectures at the Collège de France, 1977–1978 (on priests and the importance of the pastoral or shepherding metaphor)

George Lakoff and Michael Johnson, Metaphors We Live By

Seneca, Letters from a Stoic

Listen and Read Here:

Upcoming Episodes: After a highly eventful Spring season–editing weekly episodes of Books in Dark Times was, err, illuminating. So we are easing off a bit for the dog days of summer. Next week we will discuss Sanjay Krishnan‘s fascinating postcolonial take on controversial Nobel novelist, V. S. Naipaul. There are future episodes of Recall This Buck and Global Policing both waiting in the wings.

  continue reading

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Manage episode 268599527 series 2538127
A tartalmat a Recall This Book Team biztosítja. Az összes podcast-tartalmat, beleértve az epizódokat, grafikákat és podcast-leírásokat, közvetlenül a Recall This Book Team vagy a podcast platform partnere tölti fel és biztosítja. Ha úgy gondolja, hogy valaki az Ön engedélye nélkül használja fel a szerzői joggal védett művét, kövesse az itt leírt folyamatot https://hu.player.fm/legal.

Our Recall This Buck series began by speaking with Christine Desan of Harvard Law School about how key ideas—and the actual currency, physical coins and bills— underlying the modern monetary system get “invisibilized” with that system’s success, so that seeing money clearly is both harder and more vital. Today, illustrious Princeton historian Peter Brown narrates the emergence, in the 3rd and 4th century AD, of striking new ideas about charity and how to include the poor inside a religious community.

Our focus today is his fascinating observations, in Through the Eye of a Needle: Wealth, the Fall of Rome, and the Making of Christianity in the West, 350-550 AD, on changing conceptions of wealth and treasure in late antiquity and the first centuries of Christianity

Even the very categories of “the wealthy” and “the poor” had to be invented in late Antiquity. Hence the importance of civic euergetism in the Greek and Roman worldview–i.e. benefaction and charity strictly confined to the good of the city. In early Christianity, this was replaced by compensatory almsgiving by the rich to benefit the lowly poor, or beggars. That notion of the rich being “less likely to enter heaven than a camel going through the eye of a needle”–that, says Brown, “was Jesus at its wildest.” Augustine even preached about almsgiving as “like a traveller’s check” that let the rich bank up credit in heaven.

Sandro Botticelli, “Augustine In His Study” (fresco, 1480)

That new metaphor tells us something remarkable about how the fluidity of money in late Antiquity changed everything, even religious beliefs. (Who knew the Romans had the idea of a traveler’s check? Peter Brown, that’s who.) Brown also loves the idea of early Christianity as obsessed with the notion of ends of the earth–Church-planting felt to early practitioners like “a moon-shot.” And he has strong views about how new guiding metaphors emerged inside theological or economic imaginative models–and survive because of their metaphorical or poetic resonance.

But most crucial of all to Brown’s argument about changed ideas of wealth is that Christianity initiated the world-transformational notion of corporate identity–before Oxford, before the East India Company, before IBM. The “managerial Bishop” (Brown’s brilliant coinage) is not wealthy in his own right, but as an agent of “impersonal continuity.” Greek cities were never as impersonal and hence as trans-generationally stable (especially in patronage and finance management) as the Christian Church became in Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.

Brown thinks Foucault got this kind of “pastoralism” in Church leaders partially right. But Foucault–“an old fashioned Catholic in many ways” Brown remarks slyly–underestimated the desire of the Christian community to designate a “consumer-driven” church hierarchy in which they can invest.

Michel Foucault, an unlikely but crucial interlocutor for Peter Brown on the question of the early Church’s “pastoralism.”

Pressed on the question of resonance to our own day, Brown (as a “good semi-Durkheimian of the Mary Douglas variety”) stresses that “these are almost incommensurable societies.” And he does note an ominous Roman parallel in present-day “personalization of power”–understanding the odious Putin by reading Seneca. Nonetheless, Brown makes clear his enduring admiration for Late Antiquity–compared to classical Greece and perhaps to our own day–because of its “remarkable tolerance for anomaly.” Brown has that too, more power to him!

Mentioned in the Episode

Peter Brown, Body and Society (1968)

Peter Brown,. Augustine of Hippo: A Biography (1968)

Peter Brown, The Cult of the Saints (1981)

Peter Brown, The Ransom of the Soul (2015)

Evelyne Patlagean, Pauvreté économique et pauvreté sociale à Byzance, 4e-7e siè (Economic Poverty and Social Poverty)

Augustine, Confessions (c. 400 AD and many other works available here )

Michel Foucault, Security, Territory, Population: Lectures at the Collège de France, 1977–1978 (on priests and the importance of the pastoral or shepherding metaphor)

George Lakoff and Michael Johnson, Metaphors We Live By

Seneca, Letters from a Stoic

Listen and Read Here:

Upcoming Episodes: After a highly eventful Spring season–editing weekly episodes of Books in Dark Times was, err, illuminating. So we are easing off a bit for the dog days of summer. Next week we will discuss Sanjay Krishnan‘s fascinating postcolonial take on controversial Nobel novelist, V. S. Naipaul. There are future episodes of Recall This Buck and Global Policing both waiting in the wings.

  continue reading

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