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In depth and personal interviews from the leading characters of Sailing's diverse competitive arena, hosted by the sport's leading media personality, double Olympic gold medallist, Shirley Robertson. From inside the closed doors of the America's Cup, to the pressures and excitement of the Olympic race course, the danger and jeopardy of racing non-stop around the planet to the ultimate quest for the world's fastest sailing boat, Shirley Robertson sits down and talks all things sailing with th ...
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Series 4 - Ep23 - AC37 Review Part 1
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1:09:53Send us a text This edition of the podcast sees Shirley Robertson in Barcelona just days after the end of the 37th America's Cup. With the smell of champagne still fresh in the air, Robertson sits down with successful Defenders Emirates Team New Zealand, to talk to port side helm Nathan Outteridge, and sailing team coach RayDavies, to discuss how t…
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Series 4 - Ep24 - AC37 Review Part 2
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1:05:27Send us a text This two part edition of the podcast sees Shirley Robertson in Barcelona just days after the end of the 37th America's Cup. In Part One she sits down with successful Defenders Emirates Team New Zealand, to talk to port side helm Nathan Outteridge, and Challenger of Record INEOS Britannia's Dylan Fletcher, while in this, Part Two, Rob…
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Series 4 - Ep21 - 37th America's Cup Preview - Part 1
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1:15:31Send us a text This month on Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast we preview the 37th America's Cup, as the city of Barcelona readies for what promises to be one of the most exciting editions of the famous trophy. Five Challengers are set to battle it out on the fastest foiling monohulls ever built, as they go head to head in the Louis Vuitton Cup, …
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Series 4 - Ep22 - 37th America's Cup - Preview - Part 2
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1:37:22Send us a text This month on Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast Shirley previews the 37th America's Cup, as the city of Barcelona readies for what promises to be one of the most exciting editions of the famous trophy. Five Challengers are set to battle it out on the fastest foiling monohulls ever built, as they go head to head in the Louis Vuitton…
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Series 4 - Ep20 - Murray Jones Part 2
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56:20Send us a text Tales from The America's Cup with Six Time Winner Murray Jones This month's podcast sees Shirley Robertson talking to New Zealand's Murray Jones about a remarkable career spanning over two decades chasing the oldest trophy in international sport. Talking during a break in racing at the St Barth's Bucket earlier this year, Part One of…
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Series 4 - Ep19 - Murray Jones Part 1
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1:02:37Send us a text Tales from The America's Cup with Six Time Winner Murray Jones This month's podcast sees Shirley Robertson talking to New Zealand's Murray Jones about a remarkable career spanning over two decades chasing the oldest trophy in international sport. Talking during a break in racing at the St Barth's Bucket earlier this year, Robertson s…
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Series 4 - Ep17 - Pete Goss Part 1
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1:03:45Send us a text Tales from Sailing Folk Lore with British Adventurer Pete Goss This month, Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast talks to British offshore adventurer Pete Goss, an accomplished offshore sailor famed for executing one of the bravest solo ocean rescues of all time. Talking at his home in the south west corner of the UK, Robertson and Gos…
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Series 4 - Ep18 - Pete Goss Part 2
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1:11:08Send us a text Tales from Sailing Folk Lore with British Adventurer Pete Goss This month, Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast talks to British offshore adventurer Pete Goss, an accomplished offshore sailor famed for executing one of the bravest solo ocean rescues of all time. Talking at his home in the south west corner of the UK, in Part 1 Roberts…
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Series 4 - Ep16 - Brian Thompson Part 2
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59:00Send us a text This month, Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast hosts one of offshore sailing's most accomplished names, as multiple world record holder Brian Thompson drops in for a two part chat about being one of the fastest offshore sailors on the planet. This is the second part of a two part chat with a man who, by his own admission, doesn't ev…
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Series 4 - Ep15 - Brian Thompson Part 1
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1:08:12Send us a text This month, Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast hosts one of offshore sailing's most accomplished names, as multiple world record holder Brian Thompson drops in for a two part chat about being one of the fastest offshore sailors on the planet. By his own admission, multihull expert Brian Thompson doesn't even know himself how many of…
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Series 4 - Ep13 - American Magic Part 1
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1:03:28Send us a text This month, Shirley Robertson heads to Barcelona to interview some of the key personnel from American Magic, the New York Yacht Club's challenger to the 37th America's Cup. Embarking on their second America's Cup challenge, American Magic are a team rich in sailing talent, with a roster boasting a mix of some of the most experienced …
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Series 4 - Ep14 - American Magic Part 2
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1:12:36Send us a text This month, Shirley Robertson heads to Barcelona to interview some of the key personnel from American Magic, the New York Yacht Club's challenger to the 37th America's Cup. Embarking on their second America's Cup challenge, American Magic are a team rich in sailing talent, with a roster boasting a mix of some of the most experienced …
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Series 4 - Ep11 - Alinghi Red Bull Racing Part 1
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1:08:19Send us a text This month, Shirley Robertson visits Swiss America's Cup powerhouse Alinghi Red Bull Racing at their base in Barcelona as they prepare to Challenge for the 37th America's Cup. They're the only team to have ever launched a successful challenge to the America's Cup at first attempt, and the only European team to have ever won it, but f…
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Series 4 - Ep12 - Alinghi Red Bull Racing Part 2
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1:04:05Send us a text This month, another two part podcast sees Shirley Robertson visits Swiss America's Cup powerhouse Alinghi Red Bull Racing at their base in Barcelona as they prepare to Challenge for the 37th America's Cup. As the only team to have ever launched a successful challenge to the America's Cup at first attempt, they're also the only Europe…
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Series 4 - Ep9 - Dean Barker Part 1
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58:47Send us a text This month, Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast hosts one of the sport's most recognisable talents as New Zealand's Dean Barker talks to double Olympic gold medallist Robertson about a career spent chasing the illusive America's Cup. From his formative years growing up in Takapuna, Auckland, Barker was soon sailing at a high level, a…
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Series 4 - Ep10 - Dean Barker Part 2
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58:08Send us a text Part 2 of this month's podcast that sees Shirley Robertson talk to one of the sport's most recognisable talents, as New Zealand's Dean Barker reflects on a career spent chasing the illusive America's Cup. In Part 1 the pair discuss his formative years growing up in Takapuna, Auckland, and coming to the attention of Russell Coutts, th…
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Series 4 - Ep7 - Alex Thomson Part 1
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1:08:11Send us a text Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast continues this month with one of offshore sailing's most active campaigners, a sailor who's career spans two decades at the highest level of the sport and includes a record equaling five Vendee Globe starts. Alex Thomson, widely known for his Vendee campaigns sailing a series of iconic Hugo Boss IM…
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Series 4 - Ep8 - Alex Thomson Part 2
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1:13:39Send us a text Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast continues with Part 2 of the fascinating chat with one of offshore sailing's most active campaigners, a sailor who's career spans two decades at the highest level of the sport and includes a record equaling five Vendee Globe starts. Alex Thomson, widely known for his Vendee campaigns sailing a seri…
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Series 4 - Ep6 - The Ocean Race Part 2
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1:01:45Send us a text This month's edition of Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast comes from the Spanish port of Alicante, long time home to the Ocean Race, as the fourteenth edition of this famous round the world adventure gets underway with a dramatic new look. On what is the fiftieth anniversary of what was originally called the Whitbread Round The Wor…
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Series 4 - Ep5 - The Ocean Race Part 1
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1:11:13Send us a text This month's edition of Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast comes from the Spanish port of Alicante, long time home to the Ocean Race, as the fourteenth edition of this famous round the world adventure gets underway with a dramatic new look. On what is the fiftieth anniversary of what was originally called the Whitbread Round The Wor…
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Series 4 - Ep4 - Tom Slingsby Part 2
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1:06:29Send us a text This is the second part of a two part interview with one of the most decorated sailors of the modern era, as multiple Olympic Gold Medallist Shirley Robertson finally sits down with one of sailing's contemporary greats,, multiple World Sailor of the Year, Tom Slingsby. In the wonderfully diverse sport of competitive sailing there can…
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Series 4 - Ep3 - Tom Slingsby Part 1
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1:04:06Send us a text Series Four of Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast continues in fascinating fashion as the multiple Olympic Gold Medallist finally sits down with one of modern sailing's most decorated athletes, multiple World Sailor of the Year, Tom Slingsby. In the wonderfully diverse sport of competitive sailing there can be few athletes whose acc…
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Series 4 - Ep1 - John Bertrand Part 1
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59:52Send us a text The fourth Series of Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast starts in spectacular fashion as double Olympic gold medallist Robertson sits down with the skipper of the America's Cup's first ever successful Challenger, Australian John Bertrand. It was exactly thirty nine years ago that Bertrand, skippering "Australia II" in Newport, cross…
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Series 4 - Ep2 - John Bertrand Part 2
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46:34Send us a text Part 2 of double Olympic gold medallist Robertson's chat with the skipper of the America's Cup's first ever successful Challenger, Australian John Bertrand. It was exactly thirty nine years ago that Bertrand, skippering "Australia II" in Newport, crossed the finish line ahead of Dennis Connor's Defending "Liberty", to end the New Yor…
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Series 3 - Ep24 - Tom Whidden Part 2
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1:09:21Send us a text This month on the podcast it's America's Cup Hall of Famer Tom Whidden who in this second part of his chat with Shirley Robertson discusses in detail the events of the famous 'race of the century', the America's Cup race that saw the New York Yacht Club finally relinquish their one hundred and thirty two year ownership of the America…
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Series 3 - Ep23 - Tom Whidden Part 1
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1:01:36Send us a text This month on the podcast it's America's Cup Hall of Famer Tom Whidden who recounts one of the most important eras in competitive sailing as he sits down with double Olympic gold medallist and podcast host Shirley Robertson. After a childhood spent learning to sail on the East Coast of the United States, a teenage Tom Whidden made tw…
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Season 3 - Ep21 - AC37 Barcelona Part1
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53:16Send us a text With the much awaited announcement that the 37th America's Cup will be held in the Spanish city of Barcelona, Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast this month features interviews with several of the Cup's key stakeholders, as they discuss the excitement behind this landmark decision. It's been just over a year since Emirates Team New Z…
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Series 3 - Ep20 - Jason Carrington Part 2
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1:03:17Send us a text Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast this month features one of the most respected names in boat building, as Jason Carrington takes to the mic to discuss his phenomenal career in the sport. Carrington has been at the forefront of high performance boat building for several decades, and in this, Part 2 of his chat with Robertson, much …
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1:04:09Send us a text Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast this month features one of the most respected names in boat building, as Jason Carrington takes to the mic to discuss his phenomenal career in the sport. Carrington has been at the forefront of high performance boat building for several decades, but as his chat with Robertson reveals, his achieveme…
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49:31Send us a text This month Shirley Robertson talks to a man with one of the most varied careers in the sport of professional sailing, as she sits down for an extensive chat with one time Team GB team mate Paul Goodison. Most recently sailing as main trimmer in the 36th America's Cup with American Magic, a closer inspection of Goodison's career revea…
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1:01:37Send us a text Shirley Robertson this month talks to a man that has sailed in a remarkable six America's Cup campaigns, as she sits down to chat with New Zealand grinder Jono Macbeth. As the pair discuss, Macbeth's career in sailing was in no way scheduled, starting after a chance encounter with the legendary Sir Peter Blake. Team New Zealand had j…
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Series 3 - Ep14 - Jono Macbeth Part 2
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59:15Send us a text Part Two of Shirley Robertson's chat to a man that has sailed in a remarkable six America's Cup campaigns, as she sits down to chat with New Zealand grinder Jono Macbeth. As the pair discuss, Macbeth's career in sailing was in no way scheduled, starting after a chance encounter with the legendary Sir Peter Blake. Team New Zealand had…
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Series 3 - Ep14 - Sailing's Super Coaches Part 2
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1:05:18Send us a text In this month's two part Podcast Shirley Robertson talks to four of sailing's most successful and influential sailing coaches. In Episode Two Robertson talks to one of Olympic Sailing's most influential coaches, and she talks to one of the business world's high end psychologists who's had a big impact on the world of offshore sailing…
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Series 3 - Ep13 - Sailing's Super Coaches Part 1
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1:19:54Send us a text In this month's two part Podcast Shirley Robertson talks to four of sailing's most successful and influential sailing coaches. In Episode One Robertson talks to one of the most ubiquitous coaches in sailing, former Australian Olympian Andrew 'Dog' Palfrey, and she talks to French America's Cup super-coach Philippe Presti. Both men co…
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Series 3 - Ep11 - Dee Caffari Part 1
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1:02:07Send us a text In this month's edition of the podcast, Shirley Robertson sits down face to face with one of offshore sailing's most accomplished sailors, as she talks to British offshore trail blazer, Dee Caffari. Caffari's achievements are well documented, she holds multiple 'firsts', she's sailed around the planet six times, completed two Volvo O…
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Series 3 - Ep12 - Dee Caffari Part 2
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42:48Send us a text In this month's edition of the podcast, Shirley Robertson sits down face to face with one of offshore sailing's most accomplished sailors, as she talks to British offshore trail blazer, Dee Caffari. In Part One of the podcast, Robertson talks about her journey into sailing and her decision to leave an established job in search of adv…
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Season 3 - Ep9 - The British Olympic Medal Factory Part 1
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1:08:17Send us a text In this month's edition of the podcast, Shirley Robertson talks to a host of Olympic sailing stars as she delves deep into the world of British Sailing, and asks just why the team has become such a dominant force in Olympic Sailing. Robertson, a former Team GB member herself of course, a four time Olympian and double Olympic gold med…
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1:00:14Send us a text In this month's edition of the podcast, Shirley Robertson talks to a host of Olympic sailing stars as she delves deep into the world of British Sailing, and asks just why the team has become such a dominant force in Olympic Sailing. Robertson, a former Team GB member herself of course, a four time Olympian and double Olympic gold med…
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Season 3 - Ep8 - Glenn Ashby Part2
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1:13:17Send us a text Part 2 of this months's edition of the podcast which sees Shirley Robertson talk to one of the modern America's Cup era's most influential sailors as she interviews Australian Glenn Ashby. An integral part of Emirates Team New Zealand, Ashby has just won his third America's Cup, and talked to Robertson after celebrating the team's su…
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Season 3 - Ep7 - Glenn Ashby Part1
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1:05:30Send us a text This month's edition of the podcast sees Shirley Robertson talk to one of the modern America's Cup era's most influential sailors as she interviews Australian Glenn Ashby. An integral part of Emirates Team New Zealand, Ashby has just won his third America's Cup, and talked to Robertson after celebrating the team's successful defence …
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Season 3 - Ep5 - Mike Sanderson Part1
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1:03:18Send us a text This month on her podcast Shirley Robertson talks to one of the world's leading offshore and Maxi yacht skippers, from New Zealand, Mike "Moose" Sanderson. With tales to tell from the America's Cup, the Volvo Ocean Race and a host of successful Maxi yacht campaigns, Sanderson is a man who very obviously loves to talk sailing. Having …
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Season 3 - Ep6 - Mike Sanderson Part2
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57:26Send us a text Part 2 of this month's podcast which sees Shirley Robertson talk to one of the world's leading offshore and Maxi yacht skippers, from New Zealand, Mike "Moose" Sanderson. With tales to tell from the America's Cup, the Volvo Ocean Race and a host of successful Maxi yacht campaigns, Sanderson is a man who very obviously loves to talk s…
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Season 3 - Ep4 - Brad Butterworth Part 2
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58:56Send us a text Shirley Robertson's guest this month is one of the most successful tacticians of the modern era. From the America's Cup to the Whitbread, the Admirals Cup to the Sydney Hobart, New Zealand's Brad Butterworth has been at the sharp end of competitive sailing for his entire adult life, and has a grand prix sailing CV few could match. Th…
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Season 3 - Ep3 - Brad Butterworth Part 1
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56:00Send us a text Shirley Robertson's guest this month is one of the most successful tacticians of the modern era. From the America's Cup to the Whitbread, the Admirals Cup to the Sydney Hobart, New Zealand's Brad Butterworth has been at the sharp end of competitive sailing for his entire adult life, and has a grand prix sailing CV few could match. Th…
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Season 3 - Ep2 - Terry Hutchinson Part 2
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57:09Send us a text Season 3 of the Podcast continues here with Part 2 of Shirley Robertson's chat with American Magic main man Terry Hutchinson...: Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast continues with this, the second of a two part interview with one of the sport's most decorated skippers. American sailor Terry Hutchinson has been a world champion sixtee…
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Season 3 - Ep1 - Terry Hutchinson Part1
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1:00:43Send us a text Shirley Robertson kicks of Season 3 of the Podcast with American Magic main man Terry Hutchinson...: Shirley Robertson's Sailing Podcast is here for another Series, and gets underway with this, the first of a two part interview with one of the sport's most decorated skippers. American sailor Terry Hutchinson has been a world champion…
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Series 2 - Ep23 - AC36 - The Final Word
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56:58Send us a text As the sailing world comes to terms with the withdrawal symptoms brought about by the conclusion of AC36, Shirley Robertson takes one final look back at the three months of Cup action with co-commentator Kenny Read. Throughout this single episode extra edition of the podcast, there are also appearances from Emirates Team New Zealand …
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Series 2 - Ep21 - AC36 Preview Part 1
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52:54Send us a text With the final races of the 36th America's Cup Match now just moments away, Shirley Robertson previews the action in another two part podcast from the heart of the action in Auckland New, Zealand. The two part podcast kicks off with an interview with the port side helm of the successful Challenger, the AC36 Challenger of Record, Luna…
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