Jen Cort is an education consultant in the areas of equity, inclusion, diversity and justice. In this podcast, Jen opens up a "third space"— a place outside our familiar home and work environments — in order that we might begin to engage in some of the provocative questions that need to be addressed. Listen in as Jen speaks with some of the leading thinkers and doers in the field.
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Student Advocacy for DC Statehood with Juelz Caleb
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Juelz is a Towson University freshman majoring in Sports Management and minoring in Business Administration. He prides himself on demonstrating a strong work ethic and learning mindset in everything he does. He is an alumnus of Oneness-Family High School in Kensington, Maryland.Jen Cort által
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Making mistakes with students is an opportunity to apologize
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Jim Malone, a Math and Physics teacher at Mercersburg Academy since 1979, shares his unique relationship with mistake-making and connects it to his role as an aspiring ally. Jim graduated from Swarthmore High, an excellent public school outside Philadelphia, in 1973. He has always been good at math and science but could have done better in English …
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Insiders' View of Affinity Groups
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With practical advice and thoughtful insights, a student, faculty advisor, and diversity director discuss the beauty and challenges of their affinity group program. Ved Rawat is a rising senior at Friends Academy Upper School. He plays tennis and basketball and volunteers at St Catherine's Hospital and nursing home. Ved is keenly interested in the …
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Developing Diversity Programs in International Schools
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Kristen Pollard is an American living and working overseas in the international education system for over ten years, teaching English language and literature in schools in the US, Germany, and the Netherlands. Her current position as the IBMYP Coordinator helps me support and manage curriculum development with staff across grades 6-10. Kristen's pa…
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LGTBQ+ allyship skill building with Jeannie Gainsburg, author and advocate
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Jeannie Gainsburg is an award-winning educational trainer and consultant in the field of LGBTQ+ inclusion and effective allyship. Formerly the Education Director at the Out Alliance of Rochester, N.Y., she is the founder of Savvy Ally Action and author of the book, The Savvy Ally: A Guide for Becoming a Skilled LGBTQ+ Advocate. Jeannie has a BA in …
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Peace only happens by hearing each other's story and through love
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Leo S. Ullman was born in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, in July 1939. After surviving WWIIas a “hidden child,” as chronicled in his book, “796 Days”, and in a documentary film, "ThereWere Good People...Doing Extraordinary Deeds: Leo Ullman’s Story” Harvard College (1961) received law and business degrees from Columbia University. He served in the U.S…
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“School is not serving us at the moment,” with LGBTQ+ student activist L. J. Valenzuela.
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L.J. challenges listeners: ‘within each of our roles in society, we have the power and opportunity to take risks’ and to ‘look at yourself, determine your privileges, and go do something different.’ As a proud, queer, and trans high school student in Jacksonville, FL, L.J. Valenzuela started advocating by joining Equality Florida's Youth Leadership…
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Natalie Gillard shares the journey of meeting the need for experiential DEI work. And are snow days equitable?
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About Natalie Gillard Natalie Gillard is a DEI strategist and the creator of FACTUALITY, a facilitated dialogue, crash course, and interactive experience that simulates structural inequality. Over the last six years, Natalie has led virtual and in-person FACTUALITY facilitations for over 57,000 global participants. FACTUALITY has supported the dive…
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Create Sticky Change through institutional priorities and traditions
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Quentin McDowell, head of Mercersburg Academy. After arriving at Mercersburg in 2007, Quentin has served as history faculty, director of summer and extended programs, Admission, senior associate director of admission, financial aid, and head boys’ varsity soccer coach for eight years, leading the Blue Storm to its first-ever Mid-Atlantic Prep Leagu…
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Teachers are agents of change
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Authors, speakers, presenters, and change agents, Cornelius and Kass Minor of Minor Collective share how they live in the space of possibility.Cornelius Minor is a Brooklyn-based educator and part-time Pokemon trainer. He works with teachers, school leaders, and leaders of community-based organizations to support equitable literacy reform in cities…
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Poetry- The Gateway to knowing and understanding unseen identities
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Tony Keith, Jr. and Mel Cort share the paths they have walked to ensure understanding of their unstated identities. Lacking windows or mirrors for their historically marginalized identities, poetry created an avenue to express, explore, understand, and speak these identifiers. Bio Anthony (Tony) Keith, Jr., PhD. is a Black American gay poet, spoken…
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What is your role in creating an ethical community?
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Justine Ange Fonte joins Third Space to share her story, wisdom, insights, and challenges for school colleagues. IPOC, who is your community? And White people, what is your role in an ethical community? About Justine Justine Ang Fonte, M.Ed, MPH, is an award-winning health educator, public speaker, consultant, ghostwriter, and professor based in Ne…
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Strategies for talking about race with teens
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Toni Graves Williamson is a nationally recognized diversity practitioner, consultant, now Director of Equity and Inclusion at Friends Select School Toni is a founding faculty member of the National Diversity Practitioners Institute, served on the faculty of the Student Diversity Leadership Conference, and co-founded Mid-Atlantic Region Diversity Co…
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Bringing your entire self to work, equity in the workplace
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Tricia Montalvo Timm is a first-generation Latina board director, venture investor, and speaker. She is on a mission to inspire anyone who has ever felt like an “other” in the workplace to embrace their true selves, owns their identity, and achieve success and fulfillment in their life and career.Jen Cort által
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Making the case and strategies for engaging in cross-racial dialogs between women of color and White women with Kimberlee Willilams
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Kimberlee is, first and foremost, a humanist, a deep believer in what is possible when humanity is centered. Her mix of authenticity and raw truth permits those around her to choose progress over perfection and bring their whole selves into the room. She is known for finding humor and challenge at just the right moments and, like the best of coache…
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Supporting all students in a gender-inclusive girls school
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Bill Ivey (he/any) is Middle School Dean and teaches Humanities 7, Rock Band, and Academic Skills at Stoneleigh-Burnham School, a gender-inclusive girls' school for grades 7-12 in Western Massachusetts. Bill serves on the NELMS Board of Directors as an equity, inclusion, and social justice advisor and on the AMLE Equity in Middle Grades Education C…
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A FREE organizational tool designed for and by educators to connect with others and keep your resources and lesson plans.
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Dr. Kelly Pascarella is a 17-year public school educator from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. During her career, she has taught and held leadership positions in two of the top performing school districts in the state of Pennsylvania, Mt. Lebanon, and Upper St. Clair School Districts. Her dissertation research examined teacher access, management, and eval…
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DEI director, Kojo Clarke discusses how our geographic, regional, cultural, accent, inform our ability to see each other
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Kojo Clarke is currently a Director of Diversity, Equity & Inclusion (DEI) at a pre k- 9th grade school. In his role he works closely with school leaders to oversee programming and professional development, while supporting parents and caregivers to explore and understand the world of DEI. As a member of the Leadership Team he also supports work of…
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Listening to the Students
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High School Students reflect on school based DEI work, share advice and ideas for future programming. Student Bios: Ty’Shea Woods (she/her) is a recent graduate Garrison Forest School, and will attend Northwestern University to double major in psychology and international studies with a minor in Japanese. She was President of the School, on DEI adv…
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Creating and supporting affinity groups with Liza Talusan
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Liza Talusan returns to Third Space! Liza (LIE-zuh) earned her Bachelor's degree in Psychology from Connecticut College, a Master's Degree in Student Personnel Administration from New York University; a certificate in Human Resources; a PhD in Higher Education from the University of Massachusetts Boston; and her certified coaching credentials from …
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Discussing collaboration and solidarity with Susan Yao and Laura Dombrowski
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Susan Yao (she/hers) is an educator with experience as a middle school humanities teacher and middle school head. She is passionate about building communities of racial solidarity and believes that collective thriving is possible when we learn how to be in a community together in supportive and authentic ways. Susan has launched professional develo…
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LGBTQIA lower and middle school programs with school counselor Logan Dechter
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Logan Dechter (he/they) is a May 2022 graduate of the University of Maryland School Counseling Program and a professional school counselor in Montgomery County Public Schools. Logan serves as one of the advisors for his school's Rainbow Club, a developmentally appropriate Genders and Sexualities Alliance for 4th and 5th grade students. Logan also l…
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White Educators Discuss Allyship (and beyond) With Black Practitioners
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Kristen Tubman grew up and lives in Baltimore, though she was born on the Eastern Shore of Maryland. She has spent the last 15 years teaching Spanish and engaging in Diversity & Equity work with 6th-12th grade students. Additionally, Kristen facilitates and learns with adults in various white affinity groups and workshops on a wide range of topics …
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Exploring weight-neutral health education with Elizabeth Tingle
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Elizabeth Tingle is a secondary teacher from Calgary, Alberta. She recently completed her Master's in educational research and is currently a sessional instructor at the Werklund School of Education and the lab coordinator for the Body Image Lab at the University of Calgary. She is passionate about weight-neutral health education and is the mother …
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Bringing Restorative Practices Into Schools With Jen Williams
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Jen Williams (she/her) is a middle school counselor in Chester County, Pennsylvania, where she lives with her husband and two children. Her tenure in middle school education spans two decades and includes a state board position for the Pennsylvania Association for Middle-Level Education. Mrs. Williams earned her M.Ed from Villanova University and h…
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Ideas for connecting equity work and mathematics ft. Nate Bridge, Kentaro Iwasaki & João (John) Gomes
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Nate Bridge is Haverford School Math teacher and has taught in international schools. Principally interested in systemic changes to education and school culture that would result in more equitable outcomes such as Criterion-Based Grading for student assessment and Rank Choice Voting for electing student leaders. Twitter: @schoolmrbridge https://nat…
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Afrika Afeni-Mills consultant and diversity director discusses privilege, religion, and continuing to learn
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Afrika Afeni Mills is the Director of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion with BetterLesson and an Education Consultant. She is the author of 'Letter to White Teachers of My Black Children' a blog on Teaching While White that went viral, and an upcoming book. Afrika works with colleagues, teachers, coaches, and administrators to transform practices. S…
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School Diversity Practitioners Share Their Expertise with Bobby Edwards and Camille Simone Edwards
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Camille Simone Edwards, Consultant With a Coach’s Approach believing in the infinite power of courage. With a strategic course of action, she partners with clients to create new pathways to their short/long-term goals related to personal + professional development. Camille Simone trains clients on how to use courage as the foundational tool to chan…
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Queer and Trans Affirming Mental and Sexual Health Advocacy
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LGBTQ+ advocates and facilitators Bex Mui and Emily Schorr Lesnick talk with Jen about supports for LGBTQ+ youth, from mental health to sex ed to spirituality, and how they are connected. They’ll share insights from their youth workshop, which shares a variety of perspectives on gender, sexual orientation, and relationship structures and supports s…
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The duality of responsibility and accountability ft. Nishant Mehta
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Over a career spanning two decades, Nishant has worked on behalf of K-12 schools of all types on issues of leadership, culture, strategy and change management, and equity and justice. At Storbeck Search, he heads the firm’s Independent Schools practice, recruiting transformational leadership for private, charter, and mission-driven schools across t…
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Learn from long time diversity practitioner and leader, Johnnie Foreman
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Johnnie L. Foreman, Jr., longtime director of community and diversity at the Gilman School (Maryland), is the recipient of the 2014 NAIS Diversity Leadership Award. In presenting the award at the NAIS Annual Conference in Orlando, NAIS Vice President for Equity and Justice Caroline Blackwell noted the importance of Foreman’s diversity work not just…
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Practitioners share stories of being called a racist
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Elizabeth Denevi rejoins Third Space as our first 'three-peat" guest. In this episode, Elizabeth and Jen offer a view into their experiences of being called racist. About Elizabeth: As the director of East Ed and co-founder of Teaching While White, Elizabeth works with schools nationally to increase equity, promote diversity pedagogy, and implement…
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Discussing Positive Racial Identity in Adults and Kids ft. Tianna Butler and Shannon Montague mp3
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Tianna Butler is the Associate Director of Admissions and Diversity Coordinator at National Presbyterian School. She has been in education for nearly a decade working as a Lower School Theatre Director, Teaching Associate, and Lead Second Grade Teacher respectively. Her dedication to justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion has its roots in her ow…
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Supporting The Academic and Social Success of Black Boys ft. Keith Hinderlie
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Keith Hinderlie is a licensed psychologist and educator with over 20 years of working with adults, youth and families in a variety of settings. His professional background includes a unique combination of knowledge about, psychology, personal development, education, leadership, and cultural diversity. Find out more about Dr. Hinderlie by visiting h…
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Students speaking to social justice through writing
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Students at Mercersburg Academy and their teacher Michele Poacelli share their insights. Michelle teaches English and directs the Writing Center at Mercersburg Academy in Mercersburg, PA. In December 2020, she taught an elective course entitled, "The Subversive Imagination: Creative Writing for Social Justice" in which students read equity-themed w…
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Exploring the connections between Christian privileges and equity conversations ft. Khyati Joshi
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Khyati Joshi co-founder of the Summer Institute for Teaching Diversity and Social Justice - multiple days in multiple locations visit www.idsj.us, Author of White Christian Privilege: The Illusion of Religious Equality in America (NYU Press, 2020) www.whitechristianprivilege.com, co-editor for Teaching for Diversity and Social Justice (3rd edition,…
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Prejudice, Stereotypes and Reading the Media ft. Eric Deggans
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Eric Deggans is NPR’s first full-time TV critic, crafting stories and commentaries for the network’s shows, such as Morning Edition, Here & Now and All Things Considered, along with writing material for NPR.org. He also appears on NPR podcasts such as Life Kit, Code Switch, It’s Been a Minute and Pop Culture Happy Hour. In addition, Eric is also a …
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Responding to alumni about their experiences ft. Camille Gear Rich
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Camille Gear Rich is a Professor of Law and Sociology at USC Gould School of Law. Her research and teaching interests include constitutional law, feminist legal theory, family law, children and the law, and the First Amendment. She is the founder and Director of PRYSM: The USC Initiative for the Study of Race, Gender, Sexuality, and the Law. Rich i…
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JENNIFER BROWN is an award-winning entrepreneur, dynamic speaker and diversity and inclusion expert. She is the Founder and CEO of Jennifer Brown Consulting (JBC), a strategic leadership and diversity consulting firm that coaches business leaders worldwide on critical issues of talent and workplace strategy. Brown is a passionate advocate for socia…
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Discussing the DAY AFTER ELECTION GUIDE
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The guide was written to support educators and administrators in preparing for the 2020 Presidential election. Published by the Virginia Center for Inclusive Communities (Summer 2020), the DAY AFTER ELECTION GUIDE includes content on navigating classroom climate, communication, curriculum, legal considerations, professional development, and respond…
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Creating space for a diversity of thought
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Brooke Carroll, Ph.D. is the Principal Consultant and Coach at Acies Strategies, supporting small schools and nonprofits in leadership development, Board development, and strategic thinking and planning. Dr. Carroll holds a doctorate in educational psychology and has over 25 years of experience leading schools and nonprofits. She has served on seve…
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Preparing to Talk About The Election ft Karen Kochel & Jonathan C. Zur
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Jonathan and Karen share strategies for increasing the capacity for you and your students to discuss challenging topics. Jonathan C. Zur is President & CEO of the Virginia Center for Inclusive Communities (VCIC), an organization that works with schools, business, and communities to achieve success through inclusion. https://inclusiveva.org/. An exp…
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Navigating the 2020 US election in schools episode two of five" with Katie Leo and Laura Tavares of Facing History in Ourselves
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Katie Leo is a program associate at Facing History and Ourselves, primarily working with schools in the five boroughs of NYC. In her current position, Katie supports educators as they create supportive academic environments where students learn to make ethical decisions with courage and conviction. Prior to joining the staff of FHAO, Katie served a…
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Jen Cort kicks off season three of her podcast by looking back on some of the conversations that she has had over the past two years. The you'll hear in this extended episode provide responses to a question that Jen asks at the end of each episode: "What do you want people to be thinking about now that they've heard this conversation?"…
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Talking across age differences about race, abuse, mental health and more
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Dr. Michael Fowlin, better known as Mykee, is no stranger to the stage. He has been formally acting since age 11, but started creating voices (via prank calling) at age 9. In addition to his talents on stage, he has an undergraduate degree in psychology from Evangel University, in Springfield, Missouri, and in the fall of 2001, he obtained a doctor…
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Supporting LGBTQ Youth in times of COVID-19 with John Gentile and Becca Mui
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About our guests: John Gentile currently serves as the Co-Director of the Office for Identity, Culture and Institutional Equity at the Horace Mann School. July 1, he will be joining the Calhoun School community as the Director of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. He is a principal consultant with the Glasgow Group, a faculty member of the Student D…
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Examining White Privilege ft. Elizabeth Denevi and Jenna Chandler-Ward
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Founders of Teaching While White Elizabeth Denevi and Jenna Chandler-Ward join third space to discuss white privilege, white allyship, white saviorism and more. Elizabeth Denevi is the director of East Ed and co-founder of Teaching While White, Elizabeth works with schools nationally to increase equity, promote diversity pedagogy, and implement str…
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School-based Equity Work in Times of COVID19
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'I don't want us to think about it as 'on-line learning' but think of it as going into someone's home' Rodney Glasgow, Rohan Arjune, Diane Nichols, John Gentile, Loris Adams, Priyanka Rupani, Yvonne Adams, and Toni Graves Williamson of Glasgow group join Third Space to discuss remote learning and equity work in times of COVID-19. The Glasgow Group …
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Silence is the best friend of hate ft. Dr. Eddie Moore
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“Silence is the best friend of hate” Talking privilege with Dr. Eddie Moore Dr. Eddie Moore, Jr. has pursued and achieved success in academia, business, diversity, leadership, and community service. In 1996, he started America & MOORE, LLC [www.eddiemoorejr.com] to provide comprehensive diversity, privilege, and leadership trainings/workshops. Dr. …
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Caring about equity is not enough, schools need a strategy ft. Soledad O'Brien
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Soledad O’Brien joins Third Space and provides perspective on funding, staffing, and focusing on equity. Soledad O’Brien is an award-winning journalist, speaker, author, and philanthropist who anchors and produces the Hearst Television political magazine program “Matter of Fact with Soledad O’Brien.” O’Brien, founder, and CEO of Soledad O’Brien Pro…
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