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In Lieu of Fun

Benjamin Wittes and Kate Klonick

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There's a coronavirus crisis. We thought people might need something to do in lieu of fun. And some people might need someone to yap at them as they go through this. We have a lot of cool friends. So we started a show. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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(un)productive by daydreamers is a weekly chat where we pick the brains of creatives, entrepreneurs, thinkers and tinkerers, all who have approached life differently. Together, we’re redefining how we spend our “free” time in a world that’s hyper-focused on efficiency at the expense of well, everything else. We’ll dig into the habits, mindsets and experiences of some of the most creative minds in the world today so we can all spend a little less time scrolling - and a little more time, dreaming.
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Host Billy Draper interviews founders and leaders of consumer-facing businesses, from sneakers to ice cream and everything in between. Making the Brand gives a behind-the-scenes look at the untold stories from companies that go the extra mile to delight their customers and develop their brands. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Wherein we are joined by convicted insurrectionist Katsiaryna Shmatsina. The estimable Ms. Shmatsina recently had the distinction of being tried in absentia in her native Belarus of trying to overturn that country's oh-so-very-democratic election and was sentenced to ten years in prison. She wrote about the experience on Lawfare and discussed it wi…
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On the inaugural episode of #DogShirtTV, the estimable Charlie Sykes joins Benjamin Wittes, Alicia Wanless, and Genevieve DellaFera to talk about the political conventions, the new energy in the Democratic Party, his memories of the 1968 Chicago convention, and fresh water sharks. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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On the evening of Jan. 22, 2024, at the Knight Foundation's INFORMED conference in Miami, Florida, In Lieu of Fun made a brief comeback for a live event. Kate flew in from Paris. Guests included Renee DiResta and Katie Harbath. The subject was election integrity in 2024. The audience participated. Scotch was consumed. Hilarity ensued. Hosted on Aca…
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In this episode of #DogShirtTV: #BookShirts, we discuss Yascha Mounk's s new book, "The Identity Trap: A Story of Ideas and Power in Our Time." Publisher's Description: For much of history, societies have violently oppressed ethnic, religious, and sexual minorities. It is no surprise that many who passionately believe in social justice came to beli…
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Author Ruth Ben-Ghiat discusses her book, "Strongmen: How They Rise, Why They Succeed, How They Fall" Publisher's Description: Ours is the age of the strongman. Russia, India, Turkey and America are ruled by men who, as they have risen to the top, have reshaped their countries around them, creating cults of personality which earn the loyalty of mil…
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In this episode of #DogShirtTV: Book Shirts, we discuss Kristin Kobes Du Mez on "Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation." Publisher's Description: Jesus and John Wayne is a sweeping, revisionist history of the last seventy-five years of white evangelicalism, revealing how evangelicals have worked to re…
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A major new biography of J Edgar Hoover that draws from never-before-seen sources to create a groundbreaking portrait of a colossus who dominated half a century of American history and planted the seeds for much of today's conservative political landscape. We remember him as a bulldog--squat frame, bulging wide-set eyes, fearsome jowls--but in 1924…
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THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS IN BIG TROUBLE, and Lindsey Graham knew it. It was January 21, 2016, and the senator was taking questions at a press conference. A month earlier, he had abandoned his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination. Now two men he despised, Donald Trump and Sen. Ted Cruz, were leading the race. Graham thought either of …
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In the inaugural episode of #DogShirtTV: Book Talk, we discuss Sean Mirski's new book, "We May Dominate the World: Ambition, Anxiety, and the Rise of the American Colossus." Publisher's Description: What did it take for the United States to become a global superpower? The answer lies in a missing chapter of American foreign policy with stark lesson…
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Wherein Sophia Yan is no longer in China and is in the greater Washington DC metropolitan area, and wherein she will be over at Chez Wittez for Scotch, she joins the show live and in person—and with a surprise friend! Will she take the hammock? Will she be in a dog shirt? Tune in to find out. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more informat…
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Wherein we were supposed to be joined by the incredible Del Harvey, former VP of Trust & Safety at Twitter—where she worked for more than 13 years—to discuss what it takes to govern an online speech platform with global reach . . . but instead it's just Kate and Scott at the last minute to discuss Elon Musk's buy up of Twitter. Hosted on Acast. See…
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Wherein we are joined by award-winning investigative journalist and Columbia Journalism professor Azmat Khan, whose frontline reporting from Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan has appeared in the New York Time's Magazine and shaped modern conflict journalism. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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Wherein we are joined by the estimable Vladislav Davidzon, a Ukrainian-Russian dual national from Odessa who recently burned his Russian passport in public to protest the invasion of Ukraine. Davidzon is a nonresident fellow at the Atlantic Council’s Eurasia Center, based in France. Since 2018, he has served as a co-producer for a television series…
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Wherein the bout started on Twitter last week, it continues this evening on the show: Marcy Wheeler (aka @emptywheel) takes on Benjamin Wittes (aka @benjaminwittes), whom she took to task on Twitter for not reading the public record. GDF hosts the fight of the century. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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Wherein Ben talks about his recent Lawfare article on the presidential clear statement rule and the investigation of Donald Trump—and about Marcy Wheeler's critique of it—and wherein Pete Strzok joins the conversation to talk about Marcy's thesis. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.…
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