Always and Forever is a One Tree Hill podcast where two lifelong friends and superfans analyze and dissect the greatest teen show from the early 2000s. Each week, your hosts have a spoiler-free episode-by-episode discussion with a special spoiler segment at the end (and PLENTY of warnings to tune out).Find Always and Forever on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook @alwaysothpod. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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4.14: Sad Songs for Dirty Lovers
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We’re ready to PAR-TAY at the Scott house! In our discussion of S4E14: Sad Songs for Dirty Lovers, we unpack Dan’s motives in getting close to Lucas and Karen, Nathan’s visit to Deb in rehab and our conflicting feelings about what he says to her, Leyton’s healthy and trusting relationship, and Peyton and Brooke’s slow reconciliation. Kaitlyn swoons…
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4.13: Pictures of You
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Content Warning: Many tears are shed during our discussion on this fan-favorite episode, S4E13: Pictures of You! We unpack all of the labels and even label ourselves as how we would’ve been seen in high school. We dissect the heck out of all the different character pairings, including how fun it is to see Haley and Skills together, why Peyton doesn…
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IT’S TRICKYYYYY! In our episode on S4E12: Resolve, we discuss Nathan’s strip dance to raise money, how refreshing it is to see Leyton so happy, and Brooke’s new experiences with Chase, which are so different from any other guy she’s been with before! We also unpack the Clean Teens crisis, the calculus test scandal and why the student council presid…
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4.11: Everything in Its Right Place
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Join us as we enjoy some chicken noodle soup with extra noodle and discuss One Tree Hill S4E11: Everything in Its Right Place! We unpack the Clean Teens slut-shaming, Gigi’s breakup with Mouth (and wonder about the writing behind her character), Peyton’s fear of being left again, and Nathan’s big confession to Haley and the nuances of this storylin…
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4.10: Songs to Love and Die By
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It’s an alternate reality in One Tree Hill S4E10: Songs to Love and Die By and we have very different opinions about this episode! Kaitlyn likes the episode’s structure and overall message, but Jeremy questions all the plot holes and whether another character would have worked better in Lucas’ role. Are you Team Kaitlyn or Team Jeremy?! We also dis…
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4.09: Some You Give Away
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Folks, we’ve FINALLY made it to S4E9: Some You Give Away, aka the State Championship episode! We discuss Lucas’ reaction to Peyton’s confession and the extra line that was added to the scene, Brooke actually failing calculus instead of Rachel, all the campy cheerleader scenes, and our two different views about Karen taking Deb to rehab. And of cour…
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4.08: Nothing Left to Say but Goodbye
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We may be a little unhinged in this episode on S4E8: Nothing Left to Say but Goodbye, but there is so much to unpack! We discuss if calculus is really a requirement in high school, our conflicted feelings about Dan and Karen finally making amends after all these years, and the growing divide between Brooke and Peyton, including the directing choice…
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4.07: All These Things That I've Done
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Join us for a rather loopy episode of Always and Forever (we apologize!) where we discuss ALL the icky storylines in S4E7: All These Things That I’ve Done! We continue our conversations that we’ve had all season so far…Peyton is traumatized and desperately needs therapy or support from her MIA dad, loan sharks should not take advantage of teenagers…
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4.06: Where Did You Sleep Last Night?
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We are coming in hot with the hot takes in our discussion of S4E6: Where Did You Sleep Last Night? First, we wonder where the heck all of Peyton’s friends are after the traumatic event in the previous episode and why therapy isn’t a critical aspect of this storyline (yes, we are a broken record!). We call out the real Derek for needing to have more…
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0.09: A Life Update
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Kaitlyn and Jeremy provide an update on their lives and on the future of the podcast. Be sure to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! That’s the easiest way to support us and to help One Tree Hill fans, new and old, find us! We’re Kaitlyn Ilinitch (@MissIReads) and Jeremy Rodriguez (@RodriguezJeremy) and you can find Always and Forever on Twitter, …
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4.05: I Love You But I’ve Chosen Darkness
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Friends, buckle your seatbelts and get ready for a One Tree Hill horror show because we are discussing S4E5: I Love You But I’ve Chosen Darkness! We unpack the Psycho Derek storyline and how effective of a horror show it still is, the real Derek surprise, and Jeremy considers if the episode would have been even stronger if the WHOLE episode had hor…
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4.04: Can’t Stop This Thing We Started
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It’s in the water, baby! We’re discussing One Tree Hill S4E4, “Can’t Stop This Thing We Started” aka the one where we learn that we have been gaslit into thinking Brooke (Sophia Bush) was pregnant when it was actually Haley (Bethany Joy Lenz)! It’s also when we get further confirmation that Derek (Matt Barr) has far from brotherly love for Peyton (…
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4.03: Good News for People Who Love Bad News
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Big news but keep it on the BLT! We are discussing the 69th episode of One Tree Hill! In S4E3, “Good News for People Who Love Bad News.” Everyone is really mean and annoying in this episode, especially Brooke (Sophia Bush) and Mouth (Lee Norris). As Peyton (Hilarie Burton Morgan) connects with her half brother (Matt Barr), Rachel (Danneel Ackles) r…
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4.02: Things I Forgot at Birth
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Cooper (Michael Trucco) is alive and well…but your podcast hosts are not during their discussion of One Tree Hill S4E2, “Things I Forgot at Birth.” Listeners, we are not loving this season so far but we promise our discussion is great! As Brooke (Sophia Bush) celebrates her 18th birthday, Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) tries to win her back. Meanwhile…
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4.01: The Same Deep Water As You
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Tree Hill is just a place somewhere in the world … maybe it’s a lot like your world. Maybe it’s nothing like it but if you look closer you might see someone like you or someone like Haley James Scott (Bethany Joy Lenz). If you’re married, a senior in high school and not sure if your husband is still alive, then I’d say your world is a lot like Hale…
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0.08: Celebrating 20 Years of One Tree Hill: Pilot Episode Audio Commentary
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On Sept. 23, 2003, One Tree Hill aired its pilot episode on The WB and we were introduced to rival half brothers Lucas Scott (Chad Michael Murray) and Nathan Scott (James Lafferty) as they compete for a spot on the Tree Hill High basketball team and for the affections of Peyton Sawyer (Hilarie Burton Morgan). We wanted to celebrate the occasion by …
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Take us away because we’re celebrating the 20th anniversary of Freaky Friday (2003), the iconic Disney flick starring Jamie Lee Curtis and Lindsay Lohan as a mother and daughter who swap bodies and are forced to live in each other’s shoes. Throughout their day, they have their run-ins with school bullies, interesting therapy clientele, and love int…
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We're excited to announce our first official book club, where we will be chatting about Hilarie Burton Morgan's memoir, "The Rural Diaries"! In our Discord server, we will have a dedicated channel where we can share our thoughts as we read (or re-read) and it will culminate in a video chat on Thursday, Aug. 10 at 7pm EST/4pm PST/ 6pm CST/2pm UK (wh…
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3.22: The Show Must Go On
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We’re here, folks. It’s the end of the season that got Kaitlyn hooked on One Tree Hill and the end of the season that both of your hosts call their favorite season of the entire series. But our journey through this amazing teen drama is just beginning because S3E22, The Show Must Go On, leaves us with so many cliffhangers as Nathan (James Lafferty)…
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3:21: Over the Hills and Far Away
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It took longer to edit this episode than it took Brooke to make Haley’s wedding dress, so we hope you enjoy it! In One Tree Hill S3E21: Over the Hills and Far Away, Lucas (Chad Michael Murray) and Karen (Moira Kelly) return home to Tree Hill as the gang prepares for Nathan (James Lafferty) and Haley’s (Bethany Joy Lenz) wedding day. And Brooke (Sop…
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3:20: Everyday Is a Sunday Evening
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Hope we can alleviate the Sunday Scaries for you with our discussion on One Tree Hill S3E20: Everyday Is a Sunday Evening, a very strange episode that wants us to think that Lucas (Chad Michael Murray, who did not appear in this episode) is either super important or not important at all for the show (at least those are Jeremy’s thoughts). It’s the …
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3.19: I Slept with Someone in Fall Out Boy and All I Got Was This Stupid Song Written About Me
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Since this is our episode on One Tree Hill S3E19, I Slept with Someone in Fall Out Boy and All I Got Was This Stupid Song Written About Me, let’s write these show notes in the style of Fall Out Boy song titles. Here we go. This is the one where Hot Uncle Cooper (Michael Trucco) and his biceps return to Tree Hill and so does his sister Deb (Barbara …
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3.18: When It Isn’t Like It Should Be
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CW: Brief mention of suicide at the 17:20 mark. It’s a weekend full of riding ATMs, hot tubs, Brooking ourselves, marriage proposals, and making out with Pete from Fall Out Boy in One Tree Hill S3E18, When It Isn't Like It Should Be. Rachel (Danneel Ackles) brings the gang to her parents’ cabin in the woods and we finally get some fun moments with …
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3.17: Who Will Survive, and What Will Be Left of Them
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CW: This discussion on One Tree Hill S3E17, Who Will Survive, and What Will Be Left of Them, features themes of gun violence and grief. Please take care while listening. In the aftermath of the school shooting, the students of Tree Hill High grapple with the stages of grief (Or do they? This episode’s structure is v. messy!). Brooke (Sophia Bush) i…
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3.16.02: With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept (Part 2)
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CW: This podcast episode includes frank discussions on gun violence, bullying, mental health and suicide. Please take care while listening. And a reminder that if you need to speak with someone, you can call the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. Help is available 24/7. In this extension of our previous episode, we are joined by Gavi Kovacs, a for…
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3.16: With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept (Part 1)
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CW: This podcast episode on One Tree Hill S3E16: With Tired Eyes, Tired Minds, Tired Souls, We Slept, includes frank discussions on gun violence, bullying and suicide. Please take care while listening. And a reminder that if you need to speak with someone, you can call the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. Help is available 24/7. We’re finally he…
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3.15: Just Watch the Fireworks
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CW: The spoiler segment features discussions on gun violence and mental health. This mix could burn a hole in anyone! Turn up the volume because we’re discussing Name Brand Orange Soda: The Musical aka One Tree Hill S3E15: Just Watch the Fireworks. We have so much to discuss with A Simple Alias’ Bree Leach, who is joining us once again to discuss t…
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0.05: Scream (2022) — Patreon Clip
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Welcome to Act 3! In this special Patreon-exclusive bonus episode, we’re talking about the amazing “requel,” Scream (2022) from Paramount Pictures, which was shot in Wilmington, NC and yes that is why these One Tree Hill podcasters are covering it and celebrating 25 years of the Scream franchise! Twenty-five years after a streak of brutal murders s…
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3.14: All Tomorrow’s Parties
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We are living in the moment at the Sparkle Classic and we have so much to discuss in our episode on S3E14: All Tomorrow’s Parties, written by the amazing One Tree Hill writer Anna Lotto! We chat about Lucas and Nathan’s storyline with the Battle family and wonder if it’s necessary, Brooke’s decision to go to the Sparkle Classic instead of staying a…
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3.13: The Wind That Blew My Heart Away
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There’s a big storm in Tree Hill and we discuss all of the character pairings in our episode on S3E13: The Wind That Blew My Heart Away! We unpack Brooke’s continued anxiety about Lucas and Peyton, and Kaitlyn even shares a hot take about Lucas’s speech to Brooke. We also discuss Naley’s open communication and their epic kiss in the rain, Mouth and…
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3.12: I’ve Got Dreams To Remember
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Tree Hill High students contemplate college and wonder if it’s right for them as your hosts contemplate the fact that college might be a scam. In our episode on S3E12: I’ve Got Dreams To Remember, we unpack the heck out of each of the college meetings, notice how mature Naley is in discussing their college plans, and realize that Lucas’s desire for…
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3.11: Return of the Future
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Keith finally returns to Tree Hill and we discuss all of his reunions with Lucas, Karen, and Dan in our episode on S3E11: Return of the Future! We also unpack the Deb and Keith flashbacks, Keith’s arrest orchestrated by Dan, Nathan and Haley’s pregnancy scare and argument about birth control, Lucas’ cruelty for mocking Brooke’s letters (and the nua…
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3.10: Brave New World
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IS EVERYONE READY? 5…4…3…2…1…we are discussing S3E10: Brave New World! We call out Lucas for going on a road trip with Peyton so soon after getting together with Brooke and discuss how this episode could have been different if Lucas stayed in Tree Hill. We also discuss Peyton and Ellie’s connection over music, Peyton’s benefit album proposal and ar…
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3.09: How a Resurrection Really Feels
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We have a lot to say about S3E9: How a Resurrection Really Feels…almost 82 letters worth! We dive into the Peyngel storyline, Brooke’s creation of Clothes Over Bro’s, the girls’ jail time (and that funny deleted scene!), Chris and Nathan’s hilarious heist (and possible resolution?), and ALL the epic musical moments. And of course, you get to hear u…
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0.04: The Notebook (Patreon Clip)
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We’ve officially been Notebooked! In this special Patreon-exclusive episode, we discuss the heck out of the massive 2004 hit movie The Notebook and absolutely swoon over Ryan Gosling and Rachel McAdams’ strong chemistry as lovers on different sides of the tracks. Hear us chat about the book and movie versions, Allie and Noah’s breakups and makeups,…
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3.08: The Worst Day Since Yesterday
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We hope you’re having a better day than Brooke Davis because we are discussing S3E8: The Worst Day Since Yesterday where we unpack Brooke’s regrets about sleeping with Chris, Lucas’ reaction to it, and all the Suburban Filth drama. We also chat about Dan and Karen’s campaign radio interviews, Dan assaulting Nathan in the locker room, and Rachel fin…
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3.07: Champagne for My Real Friends, Real Pain for My Sham Friends
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Cheers to S3E7: Champagne for My Real Friends, Real Pain for My Sham Friends because we are joined by Aliza Ora from the Roswell rewatch podcast, Pass the Hot Sauce! We unpack the dream sequence at the beginning of the episode and all of the drama on the Fantasy Boy Draft dates. The three of us swoon over Naley, wonder if Peyton and Mouth’s storyli…
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3.06: Locked Hearts and Hand Grenades
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It’s time for the Fantasy Boy Draft and things are about to get explosive in our discussion on S3E6: Locked Hearts and Hand Grenades! We discuss Lucas and Haley’s argument about his heart condition and whether he should tell Whitey, our support for Karen Roe 2024, and Jeremy’s new favorite ship: Rachel and Peyton. We also break down the mix-up duri…
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3.05: A Multitude of Casualties
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Rachel has officially arrived in Tree Hill and brings all of the fiery redhead representation we needed! In our discussion on S3E5: A Multitude of Casualties, we unpack the heck out of Nathan testing Haley’s loyalty, Peyton’s reaction to Ellie’s lie about not being artistic, and Brucas’ relationship…with Rachel now involved. Additionally, we discus…
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3.04: An Attempt to Tip the Scales
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Can we get a woot woot? Because we are joined again by the wonderful Jenna Lenskold for our discussion on S3E4: An Attempt to Tip the Scales! We discuss the masquerade party, including the mysterious lady in red, the Sandy and Batman kiss, our Fall Out Boy nostalgia, and Kaitlyn even reveals her dream to dress as Sandy from Grease! Additionally, we…
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3.03: First Day on a Brand New Planet
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Rather than go to therapy, we decided to start a podcast! JK. We have healthier coping mechanisms, unlike Peyton Sawyer, who desperately needs therapy! And she’s not the only one. We discuss how this show fails to unpack Dan’s PTSD from the night of the fire, Mouth gets advice from Whitey about how to get over a breakup (because Whitey’s wife died …
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3.02: From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea
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IT’S THE END OF SUMMER BEACH PARTY, WHAT WHAT! Kaitlyn raves unapologetically about S3E2: From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea and desperately tries to convince Jeremy to love it too! In this episode, we discuss the Naley of it all, Brucas’ chemistry, mid-2000s music nostalgia, and all the fun humorous scenes, which of course includes the Brooke/Pey…
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3.01: Like You Like An Arsonist
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IT’S SEASON 3, BABY! We can’t believe we’re finally here to discuss the heck out of S3E1: Like You Like An Arsonist, including all of the plot holes, continuity errors, flashbacks, and fun, new hairstyles! We unpack the emotional Naley scene that Kaitlyn absolutely LOVES, Brooke and Lucas’ new relationship and polyamorous representation, and the re…
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It’s so hard to be Hilary Duff when you have an evil stepmother like Jennifer Coolidge. But at least you have Fairy Godmother Regina King and Prince Chad Michael Murray by your side! In this episode of Baker Soundstage, we discuss the 2004 masterpiece A Cinderella Story. Hear us chat about Jennifer Coolidge being an icon, cringey online chat room t…
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2.23: The Leavers Dance
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THIS EPISODE IS ON FIRE! In our burning discussion on S2E23: The Leavers Dance, we unpack ALL the bombshells, including Nathan cutting ties with Lucas, Ellie telling Peyton that she’s her mother, that Brucas “goodbye” kiss, Lucas and Dan’s fiery confrontation, and Haley showing up on Nathan’s doorstep. Plus, someone attempts to murder Dan by settin…
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2.22: The Tide That Left and Never Came Back
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May angels lead you in…to our episode on S2E22: The Tide That Left and Never Came Back. In addition to getting in our feels, we dissect the heck out of the George Bernard Shaw quote and its connection to the characters’ lives and our own lives. We also unpack Lucas’ reunion with Haley, Chris and Brooke’s comedic scene, Dan trying to deport Andy, an…
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2.21: What Could Have Been
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Is this episode the best mixtape we have? That’s up for debate as we discuss S2E21: What Could Have Been. We unpack Nathan’s conversations with Lucas and Peyton about the accident and whether he did it on purpose. Additionally, we discuss Nathan’s family struggles, Dan trying to initiate an annulment between Nathan and Haley, and Haley’s decision t…
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2.20: Lifetime Piling Up
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What if Dan married Karen instead of Deb? In our episode on S2E20: Lifetime Piling Up, we unpack Nathan’s dream of an alternate Tree Hill universe and compare the old and new portrayals of Lucas and Nathan, Dan and Keith, and Karen and Deb. We also discuss the many callbacks to season 1 and even comment on alternate universe episodes of TV in gener…
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2.19: I’m Wide Awake, It’s Morning
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HOT UNCLE COOPER arrives in Tree Hill and we have plenty of thirsty thoughts in our episode on S2E19: I’m Wide Awake, It’s Morning! We also discuss the four ladies dancing in Tric, Deb’s mental health struggles, and Andy quitting his job because of Dan’s scheme. And of course we unpack Nathan’s car crash and speculate if he did it on purpose. CW (s…
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2.18: The Lonesome Road
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In our episode on S2E18: The Lonesome Road, we discuss Nathan and Taylor’s almost-kiss, Sherlock Holmes references, and the lesson Brooke learned. We also discuss Jake turning himself in to the police and whether Nicki deserves a second chance. And of course, we unpack Anna’s coming out story, Darby’s support, and Anna’s ultimate decision to leave …
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