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How to Smash the Motherhood Penalty
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A tartalmat a Emma Mclean biztosítja. Az összes podcast-tartalmat, beleértve az epizódokat, grafikákat és podcast-leírásokat, közvetlenül a Emma Mclean vagy a podcast platform partnere tölti fel és biztosítja. Ha úgy gondolja, hogy valaki az Ön engedélye nélkül használja fel a szerzői joggal védett művét, kövesse az itt leírt folyamatot https://hu.player.fm/legal.
Working and having a family is hard. But what is really fatiguing is that it is only mothers that pay a penalty when they become parents. It is only mothers that pay an up to 60% salary penalty over the first five years of establishing their family. Only mothers that see their retirement savings penalised because of the caregiving requirements they are fulfilling. And only mothers that get sidelined in their careers because of the lack of quality part time roles. In this podcast we are going to get curious about the system that creates the motherhood penalty and curious about the solutions that are going to smash it. We will talk to some of the experts who are actively smashing it, find out their story and figure out what we can learn from them. Hosted by Emma Mclean, CEO & Founder of Works for Everyone, this is a punchy, practical, and peppered with laughter podcast that equips listeners with ideas they can take back to their homes and workplaces to help smash the motherhood penalty.
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A tartalmat a Emma Mclean biztosítja. Az összes podcast-tartalmat, beleértve az epizódokat, grafikákat és podcast-leírásokat, közvetlenül a Emma Mclean vagy a podcast platform partnere tölti fel és biztosítja. Ha úgy gondolja, hogy valaki az Ön engedélye nélkül használja fel a szerzői joggal védett művét, kövesse az itt leírt folyamatot https://hu.player.fm/legal.
Working and having a family is hard. But what is really fatiguing is that it is only mothers that pay a penalty when they become parents. It is only mothers that pay an up to 60% salary penalty over the first five years of establishing their family. Only mothers that see their retirement savings penalised because of the caregiving requirements they are fulfilling. And only mothers that get sidelined in their careers because of the lack of quality part time roles. In this podcast we are going to get curious about the system that creates the motherhood penalty and curious about the solutions that are going to smash it. We will talk to some of the experts who are actively smashing it, find out their story and figure out what we can learn from them. Hosted by Emma Mclean, CEO & Founder of Works for Everyone, this is a punchy, practical, and peppered with laughter podcast that equips listeners with ideas they can take back to their homes and workplaces to help smash the motherhood penalty.
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×In this last episode of season two, we interview Maddock Price. Maddock is a proud dad to two energetic boys with a third child on the way next year. He lives in Avondale, Auckland, with his beautiful wife, Sophie, and works as the Head of Recruitment at Kiwibank. Raised in Te Awamutu, Maddock is proud to whakapapa to Ngāti Rangi, Te Atahaunui a Pāpārangi, and Ngāi Tahu on his mother’s side, and Wales and England on his father’s side. Maddock still has his L plates on when it comes to being a dad but loves that he has a wife and a job that empower him to invest more time into "dad life." Along the way, he has discovered some useful strategies for coping with the many demands of being a dad but admits he’s still a long way from figuring out how to be the best dad, husband, brother, son, colleague, and friend in today’s fast-paced world. Our conversation is a magic one where Maddock very generously shares his own personal story and also the resources and experiences that have shaped him. We speak about: The power of reflection for dads and how it is almost therapeutic. How tough it is for dual career couples – “everything is stretched”. The importance of carving out a third space to give yourself time to reset between the different modes that you operate. The role of trust between your employer and yourself. How being a working parent is the definition of a high pressure job. Giving Dads the gift of working in a flexible way. And being more innovative when it comes to childcare. Resources Discussed “Find Your Unicorn Space” by Eve Rodsky. “The Third Place” by Adam Fraser – website here Nick Petrie and Opposite World – article here Connect with Emma This podcast was funded by Works for Everyone, a business based in NZ and operating globally that supports working parents to stay in the leadership pipeline through coaching, workshops, and keynote speaking. Your host, Emma Mclean, is a mother of three teenagers, an Executive Coach and the Founder of Works for Everyone. Following a successful 25-year career in corporate marketing, Emma launched her business in 2019 to put a care wrap around working parents at the hardest time in their career. She launched the NZ Part Time Power List in 2024 as she wanted to shine a light on individuals that are building their career through part time roles, rather than side stepping it. She is alumni of the 2021 NZ Leadership Programme and a proud Swiftie (a lifelong Taylor Swift fan). To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – emma@worksforeveryone.co.nz www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/…
In this episode, we interview Shea Bentley, a father of three children under five. Along with his wife they have leaned into conversations with their employers to ensure they can manage their caregiving responsibilities. Shea was very generous in sharing what works for his family and what his family’s priorities are, including: The power of asking for the hours you need from your employer. Even if it feels scary. The importance of a family routine at home and communication. Talking with other Dads around how they have a career and a family. The pressures that Dad feel to be there for everything, to be a good worker and to continue to get promotions. The experience of taking parental leave and how hard it was. An idea for solving the problems that school holidays can create. Making school holidays and work line up better! Connect with Emma This podcast was funded by Works for Everyone, a business based in NZ and operating globally that supports working parents to stay in the leadership pipeline through coaching, workshops, and keynote speaking. Your host, Emma Mclean, is a mother of three teenagers, an Executive Coach and the Founder of Works for Everyone. Following a successful 25-year career in corporate marketing, Emma launched her business in 2019 to put a care wrap around working parents at the hardest time in their career. She launched the NZ Part Time Power List in 2024 as she wanted to shine a light on individuals that are building their career through part time roles, rather than side stepping it. She is alumni of the 2021 NZ Leadership Programme and a proud Swiftie (a lifelong Taylor Swift fan). To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – emma@worksforeveryone.co.nz www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/…
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In this episode, we interview Joe Consedine. Joe is a former Director of Champions for Change with Global Women where he worked with New Zealand’s leading 80 Chief Executives and Board Chairs on scaled Diversity Equity and Inclusion strategies for Aotearoa, New Zealand. Prior to Champions for Change Joe was the New Zealand General Manger for Chartered Accountants Australia and New Zealand where he led the development of the accounting profession’s first ever inclusion strategy, developed a playbook on the gender pay gap with a reach of over 850k and was recognised by the NZ Minister for Women. Joe is also the co-founder of Mobilise – New Zealand’s first dedicated leadership development and allyship program specifically for men and is currently working with ANZ, New Zealand as head of Equity Diversity and Inclusion. Joe is a member of the Gender at Work advisory board and is a mentor in the Big Buddy programme. Our conversation is powerful and full of gems from both a DEI practitioner and a working dad perspective. The power of his parents and how they influenced his definition of privilege and how privilege comes with responsibility. His experience as being the lead caregiver for his daughter while she was younger. Having tough real conversations with your partner. The importance of Ko wai au? Ko wai koe? Ko wai tātou? / Who am I? Who are you? Who are we? How individuals can have an impact on changing the system. Redefining what it means to be a man – and how this can unlock men to give more to the world. Connect with Emma This podcast was funded by Works for Everyone, a business based in NZ and operating globally that supports working parents to stay in the leadership pipeline through coaching, workshops, and keynote speaking. Your host, Emma Mclean, is a mother of three teenagers, an Executive Coach and the Founder of Works for Everyone. Following a successful 25-year career in corporate marketing, Emma launched her business in 2019 to put a care wrap around working parents at the hardest time in their career. She launched the NZ Part Time Power List in 2024 as she wanted to shine a light on individuals that are building their career through part time roles, rather than side stepping it. She is alumni of the 2021 NZ Leadership Programme and a proud Swiftie (a lifelong Taylor Swift fan). To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – emma@worksforeveryone.co.nz www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/…
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In this episode, we interview Sam Cunnington Waugh. Sam is a father to an almost 5 month old boy Felix, and a 5 year old daughter Rhea, who has recently started school. He is a Brit, married to a kiwi Bella and they moved over to Aotearoa from London in 2021, during the tail end of the pandemic. Sam works in government, currently at a crown entity, but has had a varied history in different government departments across the UK and now NZ. He is aspiring to middle management and not totally sure how he feels about that! He’s a keen musician (having played drums with the London based band Zola Blood) and is now teaching himself classical guitar. He also loves tennis and has been playing regularly with his club since moving here, although this has taken a bit of a backseat since Felix was born. Baking sourdough is his other hobby (acquired during the pandemic like so many others) that keeps him on a level, and literally puts bread on the table. They have a good support network, particularly through Bella’s mum who lives very close. Auntie Karen has a great relationship with Rhea and often does school pick ups and play dates. That with support from other school parents, both Bella and Sam would say it really does take a village. Our conversation was full of rich insights and reflections from Sam on his experience as a working dad and if you’ve lived in the UK, you will identify with many of his observations about arriving in NZ. Our conversation includes the topics of: How reasoning with a three-year-old helps your negotiation skills when working with the Exec Team. How time takes on a different meaning when you become a parent and you often lament where all the time goes. The importance of communicating with your partner on what you need. His experience of parental leave in the UK. The pressures in his career since becoming a parent and the importance of asking for help – even if it feels uncomfortable. Switching up the workplace so that more proactive conversations are had with returning Dads and making it easy for them to ask for what they need in terms of flexible working. Connect with Emma This podcast was funded by Works for Everyone, a business based in NZ and operating globally that supports working parents to stay in the leadership pipeline through coaching, workshops, and keynote speaking. Your host, Emma Mclean, is a mother of three teenagers, an Executive Coach and the Founder of Works for Everyone. Following a successful 25-year career in corporate marketing, Emma launched her business in 2019 to put a care wrap around working parents at the hardest time in their career. She launched the NZ Part Time Power List in 2024 as she wanted to shine a light on individuals that are building their career through part time roles, rather than side stepping it. She is alumni of the 2021 NZ Leadership Programme and a proud Swiftie (a lifelong Taylor Swift fan). To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – emma@worksforeveryone.co.nz www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/…
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In this episode, we interview Sean Keaney. Sean, CEO of FCB Wellington, isn't your average ad exec. He's a seasoned veteran, having cut his teeth in the good old days of direct mail, and has since tackled campaigns for a diverse range of clients, from banks to power companies, retirement villages to consumer electronics giants. But Sean's passion lies beyond the bottom line. He's a champion for important causes, bringing his strategic mind to issues like mental health, alcohol moderation, family violence, and safety across the board - road, water, fire, you name it. He's also a strong advocate for diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging (DEIB) within FCB Aotearoa, leading the agency's whanaungatanga program. He also represents FCB on the Global Women - Champions for Change group, demonstrating his commitment to fostering a more inclusive and equitable industry. When he's not strategising campaigns, Sean's a devoted family man. He's married to Melanie, a soon-to-be Clinical Psychologist (just two weeks away!), and they share their Brooklyn home with three daughters - Lucia (13) and the mischievous twins Marnie and Cece (11) - and two furry companions, Honey and Minnie. So, what's the secret to Sean's success? It's simple: a genuine desire to make a difference, a knack for finding the right message, and a healthy dose of humour to keep things interesting. He's proof that advertising can be both impactful and entertaining, and that a career in the industry can be as fulfilling as it is challenging. DISCLAIMER: Emma asked Sean for an updated bio, so he threw some prompts into AI. The result makes him sound way better and way cheesier than he actually is. Our conversation blended Sean’s experience as a dad and also his experience as a CEO & senior leader in the advertising industry. I actually worked with Sean in another life so it was a beautiful way to re-connect and to listen to his powerful reflections about being a working dad. How family trumps work – and how leaving loudly is one way that we can bring this to life. The change in thinking around WFH and the fallout that could happen from it. His leadership approach to managing client demands and parent’s caregiving needs. How he and his partner manage work and a family. The reflection of how traditional parenting roles can emerge without really thinking about it – and the work it takes to disrupt it. How he loves getting emails from Dads on his team saying that they can’t come to work because their child is unwell. Normalising working dads being parents and having needs. Connect with Emma This podcast was funded by Works for Everyone, a business based in NZ and operating globally that supports working parents to stay in the leadership pipeline through coaching, workshops, and keynote speaking. Your host, Emma Mclean, is a mother of three teenagers, an Executive Coach and the Founder of Works for Everyone. Following a successful 25-year career in corporate marketing, Emma launched her business in 2019 to put a care wrap around working parents at the hardest time in their career. She launched the NZ Part Time Power List in 2024 as she wanted to shine a light on individuals that are building their career through part time roles, rather than side stepping it. She is alumni of the 2021 NZ Leadership Programme and a proud Swiftie (a lifelong Taylor Swift fan). To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – emma@worksforeveryone.co.nz www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/…
Kia ora koutou, welcome back to Season Two of How to Smash the Motherhood Penalty. In this season we are turning the spotlight onto Working Fathers. Even though they may not personally pay “the motherhood penalty” they make tough sacrifices, and they face real challenges in the juggle of career and family. In this season I will get curious about the challenges they face, the support they lean on and the opportunity for system change that will create space for dads to show up in the way they want to – at home and at work. I was inspired to make this season all about working fathers after watching a 2024 International Men’s Day panel event. The event was streamed from London and was organised by the King’s College Global Institute for Women’s Leadership. Listening to the fathers talking on the panel and in particular listening to Marvyn Harrison, I learnt a lot. I got a peek into what it was like to be a working father and how at home they may feel that their role in the family is to give everything to work. I wanted to understand more about working fathers, more about the pressures they feel and more about how they might be able to show up as the Dad they want to be. The link to the event is below if you would like to watch it. As one of my clients so articulately said to me “it is like women have got the memo they can break into the boardroom, but men have not got the memo they can break into the home”. If men can step into their power at home, I believe that there are only positives – better mental health outcomes, better relationships and a richer life. I hope you enjoy this season and as always I welcome your feedback. Resources Discussed The 2024 NZ Part Time Power List https://www.worksforeveryone.co.nz/part-time-power-list Dads making a difference: involved fatherhood and gender equality. Global Institute for Women’s Leadership – 2023 International Men’s Day panel event https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS_ULfjy4mI&t=356s Connect with Emma This podcast was funded by Works for Everyone, a business based in NZ and operating globally that supports working parents to stay in the leadership pipeline through coaching, workshops, and keynote speaking. Your host, Emma Mclean, is a mother of three teenagers, an Executive Coach and the Founder of Works for Everyone. Following a successful 25-year career in corporate marketing, Emma launched her business in 2019 to put a care wrap around working parents at the hardest time in their career. She launched the NZ Part Time Power List in 2024 as she wanted to shine a light on individuals that are building their career through part time roles, rather than side stepping it. She is alumni of the 2021 NZ Leadership Programme and a proud Swiftie (a lifelong Taylor Swift fan).…
In this episode, we interview Steve Jurkovich, dad to two daughters and Chief Executive of Kiwibank. You’ll need to pull up a chair for our conversation as it is a fire side chat with a master storyteller. Steve joined Kiwibank in July 2018 as Chief Executive. He graduated from Otago University with a Bachelor of Law and completed his MBA at the University of Sydney. With over 20 years of banking experience, Steve’s career to date has included senior and executive leadership positions with accountabilities across Retail, Corporate, Commercial and Rural Banking and Legal. He’s passionate about business and business leaders delivering on Purpose and Performance and having some fun doing it. In our conversation, Steve very generously shares his personal and professional reflections of the life he has lived since becoming a dad. How his parents and their parents have influenced his parent/life approach. How Dads can put themselves under pressure and question themselves – am I doing enough? Reflections on whether he thinks he stopped himself from taking the time he might have wanted for his family. The most successful and unsuccessful period of his life – and how they happened at the sae time. Validating Dad’s struggles does not invalidate Mum’s challenges. Thinking about change the definition of success to more of a balance scorecard. Wellbeing days work for everyone – not just parents. Great stories don’t wear out, they wear in. Resources Discussed Fathers and Flexible Work https://www.kcl.ac.uk/giwl/research/fathers-perceptions-flexible-working-arrangements Representation of gender doing housework in media https://geenadavisinstitute.org/research/this-is-us-how-tv-does-and-doesnt-get-mens-caregiving/ Connect with Emma This podcast was funded by Works for Everyone, a business based in NZ and operating globally that supports working parents to stay in the leadership pipeline through coaching, workshops, and keynote speaking. Your host, Emma Mclean, is a mother of three teenagers, an Executive Coach and the Founder of Works for Everyone. Following a successful 25-year career in corporate marketing, Emma launched her business in 2019 to put a care wrap around working parents at the hardest time in their career. She launched the NZ Part Time Power List in 2024 as she wanted to shine a light on individuals that are building their career through part time roles, rather than side stepping it. She is alumni of the 2021 NZ Leadership Programme and a proud Swiftie (a lifelong Taylor Swift fan). To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – emma@worksforeveryone.co.nz www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/…
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In this episode, we interview Paul Taylor. You may remember him and his wife Bec from Season One. Well – he is back! We are super lucky to hear from him again. Paul and Bec met in London, had an amazing, carefree, fun-filled time working jobs they loved, traveling, sleeping in, and genuinely living the dream. They moved home to Auckland and suddenly life came at them fast. They bought a house, got married, Paul lost his Dad to cancer, had a daughter, lost Bec’s Dad to a heart attack, moved in with Bec’s Mum ‘temporarily’, had a son, changed jobs 6 times, and neither of them can recall the last time they properly slept. Their focus quickly went from care-free fun to barely surviving and now they’re trying to bring fun back whilst also helping others to do the same. Like all my conversations with Paul, it was generous and full of excellent observations. Letting go of perfectionism as a working dad and accepting that you won’t be able to the best version of yourself in all areas of your life. How Dad guilt is real and how it can feel weird talking about it. Being a co-pilot at home and how being an active caregiver can be a source of pride and make space for your partner. The importance of real talk with other dads and how it can help you feel less alone. Using his magic wand for rest for parents and better conversations with managers. Connect with Emma This podcast was funded by Works for Everyone, a business based in NZ and operating globally that supports working parents to stay in the leadership pipeline through coaching, workshops, and keynote speaking. Your host, Emma Mclean, is a mother of three teenagers, an Executive Coach and the Founder of Works for Everyone. Following a successful 25-year career in corporate marketing, Emma launched her business in 2019 to put a care wrap around working parents at the hardest time in their career. She launched the NZ Part Time Power List in 2024 as she wanted to shine a light on individuals that are building their career through part time roles, rather than side stepping it. She is alumni of the 2021 NZ Leadership Programme and a proud Swiftie (a lifelong Taylor Swift fan). To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – emma@worksforeveryone.co.nz www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/…
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In this episode, we interview Scott La Franchie. Scott is a proud Husband and father of two young daughters, aged 4 and 6, and a senior leader and marketing strategist with nearly two decades of experience launching innovative products across IT, telecommunications, and security sectors in New Zealand. He is currently taking a break after finishing up at First Security and will be focusing on family and home activities full time, with his wife -Rebekah (a marketing lead at Datacom) continuing to work full time - when he has some free time (ha) he will be planning his next big adventure career wise. Known for his hands-on approach to product development and go-to-market strategies, Scott has led award-winning initiatives, including his work as Head of Security Products at Kordia and General Manager of Marketing and Products at First Security, where he introduced cutting-edge digital security solutions. An active community member, he’s also deeply involved with Oratia FC, his local football club, where he serves as a coach, player and board member, blending his love of the game with a commitment to giving back. Our conversation together was full of great observations: How time takes on a different meaning as a Dad as well as how you define your priorities. The value of time boxing to protect your needs and your partner’s needs. Looking after your energy so you can look after your family. How trying things and adapting has worked well in his family when it comes to logistics of family life. And the constant of keeping communication up. Feeling safe to ask for flexibility at work and feeling like your manager has empathy for you. Scott’s observations of their family set-up that Executive team members have and what that might mean for his career in a dual-career couple. The power of watching senior leaders actively model family friendly behaviours. https://www.instagram.com/gohireher/ Connect with Emma This podcast was funded by Works for Everyone, a business based in NZ and operating globally that supports working parents to stay in the leadership pipeline through coaching, workshops, and keynote speaking. Your host, Emma Mclean, is a mother of three teenagers, an Executive Coach and the Founder of Works for Everyone. Following a successful 25-year career in corporate marketing, Emma launched her business in 2019 to put a care wrap around working parents at the hardest time in their career. She launched the NZ Part Time Power List in 2024 as she wanted to shine a light on individuals that are building their career through part time roles, rather than side stepping it. She is alumni of the 2021 NZ Leadership Programme and a proud Swiftie (a lifelong Taylor Swift fan). To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – emma@worksforeveryone.co.nz www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/…
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In this episode, we interview Callum Williamson. Callum is a working father and General Manager at Conductive Education Taranaki who recently took time off to care for his one-year-old daughter, Molly-Maggie. During this period, he experienced the day-to-day demands of balancing parenting and professional responsibilities. Callum shares his perspective on the challenges and adjustments that come with being a dad in today’s working world. Our conversation blended Callum’s experience as a working dad, as a leader of people who are also parents and as someone who actively participates in his wider community. One of those ways he contributes to his community is as a White Ribbon Ambassador and he is proud to serve his whānau and his community by supporting this vital kaupapa. White Ribbon reminds us that we all have a role to play in preventing violence, whether it’s challenging harmful behaviours, educating others about respectful relationships, or modelling healthy behaviours ourselves. It’s about stepping up to protect and care for those around us. Callum encourage everyone to take the White Ribbon Pledge and actively promote kindness, respect, and safety in their homes and communities. Let’s work together to make a difference. The importance of just being with our children. His experience of parental leave and the pressure he put on himself during this experience. The differences that Callum thinks Mums and Dads show when it comes to being a working parent. Why New Plymouth needs a better bus system to support working parents. How he manages work, family and community. The societal shift he would like to see that would put children at the centre of the system. Resources Discussed White Ribbon. Learn more about how you can be involved at https://whiteribbon.org.nz Connect with Emma This podcast was funded by Works for Everyone, a business based in NZ and operating globally that supports working parents to stay in the leadership pipeline through coaching, workshops, and keynote speaking. Your host, Emma Mclean, is a mother of three teenagers, an Executive Coach and the Founder of Works for Everyone. Following a successful 25-year career in corporate marketing, Emma launched her business in 2019 to put a care wrap around working parents at the hardest time in their career. She launched the NZ Part Time Power List in 2024 as she wanted to shine a light on individuals that are building their career through part time roles, rather than side stepping it. She is alumni of the 2021 NZ Leadership Programme and a proud Swiftie (a lifelong Taylor Swift fan). To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – emma@worksforeveryone.co.nz www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/…
As this is the final episode of the first season of “How to Smash the Motherhood Penalty”, I wanted to reflect on what I have learnt from taking the leap and making this series. And I also wanted to share what I would do if I had a magic wand. It is a question I have asked all my guests – if they had a magic wand that would make the biggest impact on smashing the motherhood penalty – what would it be? So, it is only fair that I also answer this question. Especially as I have been informed and educated on my answer after listening to all my expert guests in this season. Thank you for supporting and listening to Season One – please let me know what you have thought about it and if you are keen for more! And what other motherhood penalty smashers I can interview? Who is doing this work that I need to amplify? I was delighted to be interviewed in this final episode by my daughter Rose. Very appropriate given the purpose of my work is to smash the motherhood penalty so that our children and their children never have to experience it. I share with Rose what I have learnt so far by making this podcast including: - Seeing procrastination simply as fear showing up and how to move through it. - The importance of listening to your whispers as do know what you need. - The power of stories to help us feel seen. - Why the phrase “I’m lucky” is one that I wish I did not hear as much as I do. - My magic wand that will smash gendered caregiving norms. We are not there yet. - How there can be a cloak of secrecy on what is really happening with work at home. - Using the words “sotto voce” which I probably pronounce wrong! - My favourite quote from Anna Funder’s book “Wifedom” which speaks to how complicated work at home gets completed. - Leaning into hard conversations. - The power of measuring what men are doing. This is the shift we need. - Education and support for parents is overdue and needed. Resources Discussed: “Atomic Habits” by James Clear – as James says, “motivation often comes after starting”. “Wifedom: Mrs Orwell’s Invisible Life” by Anna Funder Connect with Emma This podcast was funded by Works for Everyone, a business based in NZ and operating globally that supports working parents to stay in the leadership pipeline through coaching, workshops, and advocacy. Your host, Emma Mclean, is a mother of three teenagers, an Executive Coach and the Founder of Works for Everyone. Following a successful 25-year career in corporate marketing, Emma launched her business in 2019 to put a care wrap around working parents at the hardest time in their career. She is an Executive Coach, the recipient of the 2022 Jaguar/Viva She Sets the Pace Community Grant, alumni of the 2021 NZ Leadership Programme, and a Swiftie (a lifelong Taylor Swift fan). To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – emma@worksforeveryone.co.nz www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/…
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How to Smash the Motherhood Penalty
In this episode we talk with Michelle Russell, General Manager, Talent and Culture, for ANZ NZ and the Pacific. It was a special conversation recorded in the recent school holidays and a unique blend of Michelle’s story long with her observations of the workplace and what is needed to smash the motherhood penalty. She is a fierce supporter of parents continuing to grow their careers and to do it “their way”. For Michelle, ANZ has been a wonderful place to grow her career over 16 years and become a parent. She has had two experiences of returning to work after parental which we discuss including her return during the global pandemic. Michelle’s insights around the levers that are going to smash the motherhood penalty are powerful and they include disrupting the home norms of caregiving and focusing on the little things at work to help parents feel seen. Our conversation covers the above and much more: - The real FOMO of stepping out of the business for 6 months when on parental leave. - The common theme of having a partner at home or someone who supports your career. - Being “welcomed back” to work versus “just slotting back in”. - The importance of “while you away” meetings to help you feel seen. Being conscious of what has changed and letting them know. Little things can make us feel like a fish out of water. - Generous paid parental leave can minimise the penalty – Kiwisaver and leave accruing. - The power of a mentor (and conversations that Michelle has) to help you believe that youcan return to the same role – but you can do it differently. “Do it your way”. - Relationship work allocation falls into a rhythm way before having children. This dynamic needs to change from the start. - We don’t lean into the shift that needs to happen in relationships when it comes to caregiving.” - The power of Dads thinking “What could log parental leave do for my career? Not what will I miss out on. - The home norms are the game changer. Without these – policies will never be fully taken up. - Have the challenging conversations at home and it will lead to challenging conversations at work. Resources Discussed “Untamed” by Glennon Doyle Connect with Emma This podcast was funded by Works for Everyone, a business based in NZ and operating globally that supports working parents to stay in the leadership pipeline through coaching, workshops, and advocacy. Your host, Emma Mclean, is a mother of three teenagers, an Executive Coach and the Founder of Works for Everyone. Following a successful 25-year career in corporate marketing, Emma launched her business in 2019 to put a care wrap around working parents at the hardest time in their career. She is an Executive Coach, the recipient of the 2022 Jaguar/Viva She Sets the Pace Community Grant, alumni of the 2021 NZ Leadership Programme, and a Swiftie (a lifelong Taylor Swift fan). To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – emma@worksforeveryone.co.nz www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/…
This week, our guest is Charlotte Ward, the Chief People Officer for Kiwibank. I reached out to Charlotte when I saw that they had created a part time role for one of their senior leaders when they returned from parental leave. Creating senior roles that can be completed in part time hours is one of the ways we will smash the motherhood penalty. This is how we can continue to build our careers instead of side stepping it. Charlotte very generously shares her story, shines a light on how her family works, and provides observations from her career on how we can re-imagine the workplace so that it works for everyone. It is a conversation that I feel lucky to have had and not only because we laughed a lot but because we discussed ideas that included: The importance of conversations at home about how caregiving will happen in your family. How gender norms start early – even with how dances are taught in primary schools. “Workplaces are built for Don Drapers” and more goodness from Michelle King’s book “The Fix”. Whether our definitions of success need to be updated. The stories that women can tell ourselves that by themselves almost penalise us. Why we need to question the way the workplace works – and to put a focus on outcomes not time spent at a desk. Creating a culture where you feel like you can ask questions. Policies alone may not be effective – you need a culture that enables and normalises them. Recognising the challenges for managers and people leaders. They need support and need to be equipped to have good conversations. Resources Discussed “The Fix” by Michelle Collins Connect with Emma This podcast was funded by Works for Everyone, a business based in NZ and operating globally that supports working parents to stay in the leadership pipeline through coaching, workshops, and advocacy. Your host, Emma Mclean, is a mother of three teenagers, an Executive Coach and the Founder of Works for Everyone. Following a successful 25-year career in corporate marketing, Emma launched her business in 2019 to put a care wrap around working parents at the hardest time in their career. She is an Executive Coach, the recipient of the 2022 Jaguar/Viva She Sets the Pace Community Grant, alumni of the 2021 NZ Leadership Programme, and a Swiftie (a lifelong Taylor Swift fan). To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – emma@worksforeveryone.co.nz www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/…
How good is it to spend time with someone who has found her sweet spot and loves her work. This person is indeed, Dellwyn Stuart. Dellwyn is a mother of three and the Chief Executive of the YWCA in Tamaki Makaurau, Auckland. She is in her happy place working with young women in Auckland. Alongside this she is also one of the co-founders of the Mind the Gap campaign (advocating for measuring and reporting on the pay gap in NZ) and created the Women’s Fund, driven from the insight that there was also a gender gap in terms of how much women focused community organisations get funded. Our conversation covers: Describing what the pay gap (how it is different from equal pay) is and being able to talk about it. Measuring the pay gap helps businesses to work out where women might be thinning out. How your manager’s response to you being pregnant can penalise you right from the start. Taking the negative and flipping it to be positive. How we can still be trapped into thinking that Dads need to be the breadwinners but that the younger generation coming through wants it to be different. How we can look overseas to see the examples we can follow. How employers can start the system change by providing equal pay for parental leave for both parents. Resources Discussed Mind the Gap https://www.mindthegap.nz/ The Women’s Fund https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-auckland-foundation-works-to-establish-a-womens-fund/L6QMIGTF7SNJZ5FDALMTHXUY4I/ Connect with Emma This podcast was funded by Works for Everyone, a business based in NZ and operating globally that supports working parents to stay in the leadership pipeline through coaching, workshops, and advocacy. Your host, Emma Mclean, is a mother of three teenagers, an Executive Coach and the Founder of Works for Everyone. Following a successful 25-year career in corporate marketing, Emma launched her business in 2019 to put a care wrap around working parents at the hardest time in their career. She is an ACC certified coach with the International Coaching Federation, the recipient of the 2022 Jaguar/Viva She Sets the Pace Community Grant, alumni of the 2021 NZ Leadership Programme, and a Swiftie (a lifelong Taylor Swift fan). To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – emma@worksforeveryone.co.nz www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/…
This episode is one that I dared to dream about. Through my coaching with working parents, I have had a window on the world of families that others may not have. I have listened to my client’s stories about how they manage the daily operations of their families and the challenges they face. And I have concluded that what happens at home has a massive impact on what is possible at work. So, I was delighted when Paul and Bec (and 7-week-old baby Aloïse) agreed to be guests on this week’s podcast. It is a very special conversation where they both very generously talk about their experience of being working parents and how they think about returning to work after having a baby. Having these kinds of conversations is courageous. And I want to acknowledge this. This stuff is not easy. It is hard and we can do hard things. Speaking of hard things – thank you Paul and Bec for doing this even though you were at peak sleep deprivation! In the conversation we talk all things: Acknowledging that being a mother is the hardest job in the world – it is 24/7. The power of your partner understanding the mental load and expanding their understanding of it. Getting curious. How Paul took the lead on things he could – eg: taking the lead at night so Bec could get more sleep. “Life is not a balance sheet” and why keeping score is not a good idea. Work at home is work and needs structure. We don’t need helpers at home, we need owners. Ideas for how partners can support even if they are not home. How the planning ahead is most of the heavy lifting – not the actual doing of the task. Renaming the mental load as strategic planning. Genius! Their experience of using the Fair Play cards Perception of what each was doing was different. The value is sitting down and talking about it. Communication and why a whiteboard is a foundation of success when you return to work. Whether it is “noble” to take parental leave. What if we treated parental leave just like annual leave? Resources Discussed Podcast Recommendation - The Imperfects. The podcast we discussed is refreshingly honest and courageous, it tells the story of how Penny and Hugh van Cuylenburg The Resilience Project have leant into this hard conversation of the mental load at home and in Hugh’s words ``been the best thing we have done for our relationship”. To listen to Hugh and Ryan’s reflections on what it has been like for them was impactful. Honest, at times brutally, and at the same time vulnerable when talking about trying new ways of doing things at home. It provides a pathway and a way forward to a more equitable home life. Highly recommend it! https://open.spotify.com/episode/3CRrKK9Af0QmU4j4GTgW39?si=2eb2f909013840e5 Great for listening in the car. Connect with Emma This podcast was funded by Works for Everyone, a business based in NZ and operating globally that supports working parents to stay in the leadership pipeline through coaching, workshops, and advocacy. Your host, Emma Mclean, is a mother of three teenagers, an Executive Coach and the Founder of Works for Everyone. Following a successful 25-year career in corporate marketing, Emma launched her business in 2019 to put a care wrap around working parents at the hardest time in their career. She is an ACC certified coach with the International Coaching Federation, the recipient of the 2022 Jaguar/Viva She Sets the Pace Community Grant, alumni of the 2021 NZ Leadership Programme, and a Swiftie (a lifelong Taylor Swift fan). To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – emma@worksforeveryone.co.nz www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/…
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