Leaders are pulled in all directions. There is no rule book. Beginning with 'No Grit No Pearl' each episode of the Gritty Leaders podcast explores a tension or paradox of leadership asking how founders, entrepreneurs and scale-up CEOs decide which way to turn. Published fortnightly, each Gritty Leaders episode: o Is for leaders in start-up and scale-up growing companies o Asks directly about the tough decisions of leadership: strategy to tactics; the rough and the smooth o Tells real stories of leadership grit to get 'inside' leadership o Tests leadership ideas and theories in today's business front line o Wraps up by drawing Gritty Leadership Lessons from what's been said Ben and Ian are regularly joined by guests. Founders and leaders of growing companies weigh-in to discuss the Gritty Leadership Question of the episode and tell their personal stories, "I learned about gritty leadership from..."