Tech policy is at the center of the hottest debates in American law and politics. On the Tech Policy Podcast, host Corbin Barthold discusses the latest developments with some of the tech world's best journalists, lawyers, academics, and more.
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The Congressional Internet Caucus Academy works to educate policymakers on critical Internet policy issues. With funding and logistical support from the Internet Education Foundation, the Internet Caucus Advisory Committee hosts regular debates to discuss important Internet policy issues. Since its founding, the Internet Caucus Advisory Committee has built a membership of over 200 organizations from a broad cross-section of the public interest community and the Internet industry. The Interne ...
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Innovation Files: Where Tech Meets Public Policy
Information Technology and Innovation Foundation (ITIF) — The Leading Think Tank for Science and Tech Policy
Explore the intersection of technology, innovation, and public policy with the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation (ITIF), the world’s leading think tank for science and tech policy. Innovation Files serves up expert interviews, insights, and commentary on topics ranging from the broad economics of innovation to specific policy and regulatory questions about new technologies. Expect to hear some unconventional wisdom.
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On the Tech Policy Grind Podcast, we discuss the most pressing issues at the intersection of law and technology. We chat with friends and fellows of the Internet Law and Policy Foundry about their perspectives on emerging topics in tech law and policy. From AI to cybersecurity, internet governance, privacy, and more - join us weekly to dig into the latest in tech policy! The Tech Policy Grind was created by Fellows from the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. The Foundry is a collaborative orga ...
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401: Everything NetChoice
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1:02:37Chris Marchese, NetChoice’s director of litigation, discusses the many, many lawsuits NetChoice has brought to defend free speech on the Internet. Topics include: Texas’s HB 20: time to create a 100,000 page record NetChoice speaks for you! California’s building code for the Internet “Addictive”: you keep using that word . . . Targeting social medi…
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Audio: The Future of Online Safety for Kids: Legislative Changes on the Horizon
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56:30This is audio from the March event on “The Future of Online Safety for Kids: Legislative Changes on the Horizon” The Future of Online Safety for Kids: Legislative Changes on the Horizon The Future of Online Safety for Kids: Legislative Changes on the Horizon SPEAKERS Maureen Flatley, Stop Child Predators Common Sense Media Ash Johnson, […]…
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400: The Harm the TikTok Ruling Will Do
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59:09Anupam Chander (Georgetown Law) discusses the many bad precedents—legal, geopolitical, and otherwise—that we’ll be living with in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision to uphold the TikTok ban. Links: TikTok v. Garland Opens the Door to Global Censorship Harvard Law School Rappaport Forum: TikTok and Free Speech The National Security Internet Te…
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399: What the TikTok Ruling Should Have Said
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51:46Jeffrey Fisher (Stanford Law) argued the TikTok case before the Supreme Court, on behalf of a group of U.S. TikTok users. He and host Corbin Barthold (TechFreedom) discuss the SCOTUS TikTok ruling that should have been. Links: U.S. TikTok Petitioners’ Opening Supreme Court Brief Tech Policy Podcast 394: Tech and Trump 2.0 Tech Policy Podcast 371: S…
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398: AI Policy Potpourri (Part Two)
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50:39TechFreedom’s Corbin Barthold, Andy Jung, and Santana Boulton continue their discussion of the many, many things going on in AI innovation, competition, and regulation. Topics include: The Lina Khan AI crackdown (that we averted) What’s next for the FTC and AI? (More) AI culture war 600 state AI bills (might be 600 too many) Blackpilled about Europ…
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New Podcast: The Trade War With Stan McCoy
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47:11In the inaugural episode of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation's Trade War Podcast, host Stan McCoy discusses recent developments and challenges in global trade policy with Ambassador Susan C. Schwab and Rob Atkinson. The conversation covers the latest U.S. tariffs on steel and aluminum, the implications of President Trump's prote…
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397: AI Policy Potpourri (Part One)
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42:51TechFreedom’s Corbin Barthold, Andy Jung, and Santana Boulton take you on a tour of the many, many things going on in AI innovation, competition, and regulation. Topics include: First signs of AI escape velocity? Automated luxury libertarianism The Trumpian vibe shift AI culture war The AI $$$$ bonfire The one-week DeepSeek freakout Is regulation f…
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396: The Cybersecurity Crisis
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57:13Maggie Miller (Politico) discusses the Chinese Communist Party’s sweeping cyberwar on the United States. Topics include: What is Salt Typhoon? The CCP is on the phone Holiday break > national security Volt Typhoon (it gets worse!) Is the Trump team taking this seriously? Save CISA! The CCP ♥️ the Thucydides Trap Links: We Need to Talk About Salt Ty…
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Audio: Future of Tech Policy in the 119th Congress
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55:03This is audio from the January event on “Future of Tech Policy in the 119th Congress” Future of Tech Policy in the 119th Congress Tech Policy on the Horizon: What’s Next in the 119th Congress? SPEAKERS Sara Collins, Director, Government Affairs, Public Knowledge Amy Bos, Director of State and Federal Affairs, NetChoice Evan Swarztrauber, Senior […]…
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395: The Digital Fourth Amendment — With Orin Kerr
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50:55Orin Kerr (Stanford Law) discusses his new book “The Digital Fourth Amendment: Privacy and Policing in Our Online World.” Topics include: The un-original Fourth Amendment Should crooks just not carry smartphones? Do originalists cheat on the 4A? SCOTUS 4A rulings as equilibrium adjustment Content vs. metadata The mosaic theory (is unworkable) Apply…
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394: Tech and Trump 2.0
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59:36Ari Cohn (FIRE) and Corbin Barthold (TechFreedom) preview the biggest tech policy issues of the Trump II administration. Topics include: TikTok ban: still unconstitutional Trump’s bonkers TikTok brief Was it worth it, Brendan Carr? Obsolete rules for obsolete TV networks Carr & Sec. 230: not how any of this works Andrew Ferguson plays MAGA Mad Libs…
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From the Vault: Why Section 230 Matters
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1:03:55From October 31, 2022 (Episode 331): Emma Llansó discusses the history and importance of Section 230. Links: The Third Circuit’s Section 230 Decision In Anderson v. TikTok Is Pure Poppycock Five Decisions Illustrate How Section 230 Is Fading FastTechFreedom által
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S5E7: Ahead of Google’s Response, DuckDuckGo’s Joe Jerome explains the DOJ’s Antitrust Case
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41:33In this episode of Tech Policy Grind, the conversation delves into the significant antitrust case against Google led by the US Department of Justice. The discussion covers the historical context of antitrust actions, the proposed remedies aimed at breaking Google’s monopoly, and the implications for competition in the tech industry. Joe Jerome from…
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393: Herbert Hovenkamp on the State of Antitrust Law
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57:22Herbert Hovenkamp (Penn Law and Wharton) shares his thoughts on the progressive antitrust movement, the government’s antitrust campaign against Big Tech, the 2023 Merger Guidelines, the famous tech antitrust cases of the past, and more. Links: Charting Antitrust’s Future Antitrust Policy After Biden Structural Antitrust Relief Against Digital Platf…
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The United States Needs a Robust Industrial Policy, With Marc Fasteau and Ian Fletcher
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28:17What is the correct economic strategy for a nation? Rob and Jackie sat down with Marc Fasteau and Ian Fletcher, authors of Industrial Policy for the United States, to discuss how industrial policy, done right, will develop the kind of economy the United States wants. Mentioned Marc Fasteau and Ian Fletcher, Industrial Policy for the United States, …
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392: Vaping Heads to SCOTUS
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56:15Jonathan Adler (Case Western Law) and Ari Cohn (FIRE) discuss the FDA’s war on vaping and the Supreme Court case FDA v. Wages and White Lion Investments. Topics include: The (comparative) health case for vaping Yet another moral panic Kids take risks! The bungling FDA A disappointing oral argument Fine points of administrative law Will the Trump ad…
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391: Dispatch from the Fediverse
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41:19Samantha Lai (Carnegie Endowment) discusses the state of federated social media (Bluesky, Threads, Mastodon, etc.). Topics include: A map of the fediverse What makes Bluesky new? Tools for tiny moderators Turning the dial of centralization “Community” or “echo chamber”? Will one platform “win” the fediverse? The beauty of exit The beauty of the unk…
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390: The Apple Antitrust Case
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1:12:53Geoff Manne (International Center for Law & Economics) and Corbin Barthold (TechFreedom) discuss the Department of Justice’s antitrust lawsuit against Apple. Topics include: The DoJ’s case: five weird tricks Apple: closed from the start Let’s talk about green bubbles … Refusal to deal or exclusionary conduct? A well-defined product market (for once…
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Audio: Elections in the Age of AI: Analyzing 2024 and Shaping Future Campaigns
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1:01:11This is audio from the May event on “Elections in the Age of AI: Analyzing 2024 and Shaping Future Campaigns” Elections in the Age of AI: Analyzing 2024 and Shaping Future Campaigns Speakers – Kara Frederick, Director, Tech Policy Center, The Heritage Foundation – Jennifer Huddleston, Senior Fellow in Technology Policy, Cato Institute – Tim […]…
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389: The Rise of the Compliant Speech Platform — With Daphne Keller
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1:01:39Daphne Keller (Stanford Cyber Policy Center) and Corbin Barthold (TechFreedom) have a wide-ranging conversation about the impact of the EU’s Digital Services Act on content moderation, the costs and benefits of platform transparency, the pervasiveness of complexity, the work of James C. Scott, Germans’ abiding thirst for data, the Burmese heroin tr…
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388: The Abundance Agenda — With Marshall Kosloff
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1:03:07Marshall Kosloff (The Realignment) discusses the abundance agenda—what it is, what it could achieve, how it applies in various policy areas, how to build a political coalition around it, how to implement it, and more. Topics include: Abundance of what? Energy policy: wtf is going on Fixing defense procurement Fixing state capacity Building an abund…
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From the Vault: Progress — With Alec Stapp
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51:35From April 12, 2022 (Episode 317): Alec Stapp discusses the work, goals, and philosophy of his innovative new think tank, Institute for Progress. Topics include: Metascience: the key field you’ve never heard of Tech industry 🤝 policy wonks Alec’s theory of change How to evangelize for progress Baby making music (j/k not j/k) The need for an abundan…
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Audio: Intellectual Property and AI: The Law & Policy Of Human Content
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58:50This is audio from the May event on "Intellectual Property and AI: The Law & Policy Of Human Content"Congressional Internet Caucus Advisory Committee által
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387: Crypto Regulation — With Paul Grewal
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52:40Paul Grewal (Coinbase) takes us on a deep dive into all aspects of crypto regulation, litigation, and legislation. A crossover episode with the Washington Legal Foundation / TechFreedom Tech in the Courts series. Topics include: The elevator pitch for crypto Securities law: it’s not the New Deal anymore The inconsistent SEC SEC v. Coinbase / Coinba…
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Leveraging Data to Improve Communities, With Rochelle Haynes
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29:38Data-informed and evidence-based decision making can drive optimum outcomes in local governments. Rob and Jackie sat down with Rochelle Haynes, managing director of What Works Cities, to discuss how technology and innovation are being used in cities to equitably deliver services and solve problems. Related Rochelle Haynes, “How Cities Can Harness t…
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386: Major Questions About Major Questions
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59:56Corbin Barthold (TechFreedom) provides a guided tour of the Supreme Court’s major questions doctrine. Topics include: Major questions: an introduction No one knows what it means, but it’s provocative Is major questions new? Stories we tell about Congress Welcome to the kludgeocracy Politics vs. expertise The Supreme Court cannot save us Links: West…
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Sayash Kapoor (Princeton) discusses the incoherence of precise p(doom) predictions and the pervasiveness of AI “snake oil.” Check out his and Arvind Narayanan’s new book, AI Snake Oil: What Artificial Intelligence Can Do, What It Can’t, and How to Tell the Difference. Topics include: What’s a prediction, really? p(doom): your guess is as good as an…
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384: The Facebook Antitrust Case
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54:23Geoff Manne (International Center for Law & Economics) and Corbin Barthold (TechFreedom) discuss the many, many flaws in the FTC’s antitrust lawsuit against Meta (Facebook). A crossover episode with the Washington Legal Foundation / TechFreedom Tech in the Courts series. Topics include: - The ontology of Facebook - Social networking: it’s not 2008 …
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Europe Needs to Focus on Solving Its 30-Year Innovation Problem, With David Evans
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26:05Europe has been enormously unsuccessful in creating substantial digital businesses for over three decades. Rob and Jackie sat down with David Evans, chairman of Market Platform Dynamics, to discuss why it’s imperative that Europe ends this ‘digital winter’. Mentioned David S. Evans, “Why Europe Must End Its 30-Year Digital Winter to Ensure Its Long…
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383: SCOTUS Internet Non-Law
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1:18:21TechFreedom’s Corbin Barthold, Ari Cohn, and Santana Boulton partake in a summer doldrums bitchfest about recent and upcoming Supreme Court internet speech cases. Topics include: SCOTUS ducks in Moody v. NetChoice Hey, let’s *not* reward bad-faith legislating Justice Kagan: progressive traitor (and we love it) Justice Alito is mad What’s next for o…
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Is AI a miracle? A threat? Will it free us? Enslave us? Both? Neither? What’s the future of AI and governance? AI and art? AI and elections? AI and social media? AI and the economy? AI and the world? Welcome to the Tech Policy Podcast: AI and Everything. On this special episode, we present highlights from more than a year of conversations with lead…
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General-Purpose Technologies and the Rise of Great Nations, With Jeffrey Ding
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27:23It’s easy to get excited about new breakthroughs, but the real power lies in diffusing technological advances throughout the entire economy. Rob and Jackie sat down with Jeffrey Ding, Assistant Professor of Political Science at George Washington University, to discuss how technological revolutions influence competition and the implications for the …
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381: American Techno-Industrial Leadership — With Noah Smith
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59:16Noah Smith (Noahpinion Substack) discusses techno-industrial competition with China and Russia. Topics include: American industry: we’re #2 :( Allies: no longer a luxury NEPA sucks A brief lesson about nickel The death of state capacity: greatly exaggerated? Will information destroy liberalism? Clowns to the left, clowns to the right Hey, let’s *no…
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Brandon Kirk Williams (Lawrence Livermore) discusses quantum computing—the science behind it, its potential applications, the geopolitics surrounding it, and more. Links: The U.S. Must Win the Quantum Computing Race. History Shows How to Do It The U.S. Needs a Strategy for the Second Quantum Revolution…
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Audio: Tech Platforms and the 1st Amendment: Impacts of Landmark Supreme Court Rulings
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1:02:09This is audio from the May event on "Tech Platforms and the 1st Amendment: Impacts of Landmark Supreme Court Rulings"Congressional Internet Caucus Advisory Committee által
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379: Child Online Safety Legislation as Bright Shiny Object
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45:41Alice Marwick (UNC-Chapel Hill) discusses her new paper, “Child Online Safety Legislation: A Primer.” If you’re wondering, the article Corbin quotes at the top of the show is Zephyr Teachout, Ending Big Tech’s Child Exploitation (Compact Magazine). Topics include: Moral panic in the technical sense The Kids Online Safety Act: not about kids, not ab…
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378: Broadband Regulation at the Zombie FCC
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57:40Berin Szóka (TechFreedom) and James Dunstan (TechFreedom) discuss the FCC’s recent orders on Title II common-carrier regulation and digital discrimination. Topics include: A hundred years of telecom law in four minutes The craziest story in the history of federal regulation FCC: Huzzah for crappy Internet (like in Europe)! SCOTUS: Congress must tac…
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Information Technology Is Increasingly Critical and Increasingly Demonized, With Daniel Castro
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21:06Over the last several years, public opinion on technology and the use of data has shifted from excitement to skepticism to fear. Rob and Jackie sat down with Daniel Castro, Vice President of ITIF and Director of the Center for Data Innovation, to discuss the negative effect of techlash on human outcomes. Related Robert D. Atkinson and David Moschel…
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377: AI and Wicked Problems
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55:30Arnold Kling discusses his recent article in Reason magazine, “Not Even Artificial Intelligence Can Make Central Planning Work.” Topics include: Why central planning is impossible The importance of prices What is AI good for? Will AI know us better than we know ourselves? What markets will AI disrupt? Social media and tribal gang-sign flashing The …
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What do birding and dinosaurs have to do with privacy compliance? [S5E6]
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37:54Today on the Tech Policy Grind: Our editor, Evan, bids the show farewell for his new role in corporate privacy compliance. He chats with Pedro Pavon, a privacy attorney at Meta, about what it means to be an advocate on the corporate side, how birding can help us maintain a beginners mindset, and how Pedro launched the Data Protection Breakfast Club…
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376: Influencer, Algorithm, Crowd — With Renée DiResta
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59:53Renée DiResta (Stanford Internet Observatory) discusses her new book, Invisible Rulers: The People Who Turn Lies into Reality. Topics include: Social media influencers: the new media elite How do ideas take root? Influencers as exploiters of asymmetries Bullshit: an investigation Could platforms have stopped Stop the Steal? Fixing the expert class …
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Remaining Realistic and Optimistic About the Promise of the Future, With Jim Pethokoukis
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23:54The future will be much improved if society fights the fear of technology. Rob and Jackie sat down with Jim Pethokoukis, Senior Fellow and DeWitt Wallace Chair at the American Enterprise Institute, to discuss how the sci-fi fantasy of the future isn’t as far off as we think. Mentioned James Pethokoukis. The Conservative Futurist: How to Create the …
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From the Vault: Conspiracy Theories and the Internet
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54:52From January 10, 2022 (Episode 309): Joseph Uscinski (University of Miami) argues that the internet is not increasing the prevalence of conspiracy theories. Links: Don’t Blame Social Media for Conspiracy Theories—They Would Still Flourish Without ItTechFreedom által
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Responsible Product Design and AI Red Teaming [S5E5]
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32:02This week, we’re sharing two conversations from State of the Net that discuss the importance of responsible product design and ethical red teaming for AI. First, we chatted with Aishwarya Vardhana. As a full stack product designer, she designs innovative interfaces and experiences with safety, privacy, and other human rights considerations baked in…
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375: Tech Facts and Fallacies
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58:01Robert Atkinson is president of the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation. He joins the show to discuss his new book, Technology Fears and Scapegoats: 40 Myths About Privacy, Jobs, AI, and Today’s Innovation Economy, co-authored with David Moschella. Topics include: Tech panic: speeding-uppers vs. slowing-downers Tech and privacy: try livi…
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Embracing Innovation is the Ultimate Key to Tackling Climate Change, With Robin Gaster
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18:47Climate change is a global problem, with two polarized viewpoints making it difficult to find a solution. Rob and Jackie sat down with Robin Gaster, Director of Research at ITIF's Center for Clean Energy Innovation, to discuss how price/performance parity in green technologies can bridge the gap between left and right viewpoints on clean energy. Me…
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374: Politics and Technological Change
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1:09:56Richard Morrison (Competitive Enterprise Institute) joins the show, in a crossover episode with the Free the Economy podcast. Topics include: The history of podcasts The rise of micro media (find a thousand true fans!) Performative tech doomerism The idleness of romanticizing the past The quest for online community Conservatives in the Technium Lin…
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Audio: The Shifting of U.S. Digital Trade Policy: Where Is USTR’s New Strategy Leading Us?
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#373: Porn and the First Amendment
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53:52It’s the episode you’ve been waiting for: TechFreedom’s Corbin Barthold and Ari Cohn talk about pornography and free expression. Topics include: The Founding Fathers: epic porn fiends (j/k) Obscenity law, a brief history Do conservatives still want to ban James Joyce? “I know it when I see it”—Worst. Legal standard. Ever. Is there a moral case agai…
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Navigating Deepfakes While Promoting Innovation, With Ryan Long
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25:18The past few years have seen a remarkable rise in the quality and quantity of deepfakes. Rob and Jackie discussed the rise of deepfakes with Ryan Long, Vice-Chairman of the California Lawyers Association, Licensing and Technology Transactions Group, Intellectual Property Section, and explored how to harness this technology responsibly while prevent…
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