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Scaling Software Teams is a weekly podcast to help software leaders navigate fast growth without losing the magic that made that growth possible. Every week, we bring you stories of trials, tribulations, and keys to success from high-growth engineering leaders all around the world. We will learn together about how to scale a world-class engineering organization through hard-won stories about hiring developers, structuring teams, scaling collaboration, and managing managers.
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In a world where software drives everything, testing is no longer optional — it’s your superpower. - How much testing is enough? - When should you automate? - What makes a great integration test? - And how do you keep up when AI, ML, and cloud-native complexity are redefining the rules? Each week, leading minds from across the software universe — testers, developers, architects, and product thinkers — share practical insights, field-tested techniques, and bold ideas to help you ship better s ...
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Stoicism in software development "And what the Stoics say is, well, most things are actually outside of your control. Like other people's opinions, your body, your health." - Maryse Meinen In this episode, I talk with Maryse Meinen about stoic thinking for product development and life. We ask what happens if you stop judging success by outcomes and…
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Testing as an Art Form Discovering Curiosity and Creativity in Software Quality "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." - Barış Sarıalioğlu In this episode, I talk with Barış Sarıalioğlu about testing as art and science, through the lens of Leonardo da Vinci. We ask what a tester can learn from curiosity, observation, and experiments. Mona Lis…
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How self care habits raise quality and agility "So we need to start thinking about work in a complete, holistic, integral way. Because we are integral people. We cannot be split out and having different personalities and having different faces. And that takes a lot of energy to be sustained, you know." - Clara Ramos González In this episode, I talk…
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Switching End-to-End Test Automation Frameworks: Lessons from Real-World Projects "Because if we go with wrong tools or wrong alternatives like libraries, frameworks, whatever we are using in our environment or ecosystem, then we might not be able to cover everything that we are supposed to do." - Mesut Durukal In this episode, I talk with Mesut Du…
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Why winners collect failures "We don't really exist in a world where everything is known before we start our work. And so the value of context is incredibly important." - Chris Armstrong In this episode, I talk with Chris Armstrong about context in testing. We talked about why "it depends" is an honest answer in complex work. Chris shows how decisi…
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Why Examples Matter: Rethinking Requirements "If you have a good understanding of the requirements, you can write better test cases, tests for that the developers might be able to make it immediately the right way and they don't need to do so much rework." - Gáspár Nagy In this episode, I talk with Gáspár Nagy about behavior driven development. We …
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Why Software Testing Struggles With Recognition and How AI Changes the Game "I truly believe that we have like in five to 10 years we see a huge demand in people who are able to understand system architectures." - Daniel Knott In this episode, I talk with Daniel Knott about the real pains in testing and what comes next. Why do managers cut quality …
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Stop saying everything is broken: Speak in outcomes and get taken seriously "So I think the first step is always trying to understand who you are talking to, trying to understand what matters to them, what do they really care about. Bad quality is something that hurts the business, but how does it hurt this particular person? What is the impact on …
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Switching From Cypress to Playwright: A Real-World Guide to Test Automation Migration "There is a lot of our custom admin stuff like managing artworks, managing the copyrights, managing work with the artist. So there is a lot of custom code there. So it's not just simple E-commerce." - Maciej Wyrodek In this episode, I talk with Maciej Wyrodek abou…
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Are Cross-Functional Teams Really Working? Deep Skills vs. Shallow Roles in Agile "But if you ask many Scrum masters today, and unfortunately a few coaches as well, what does the Agile manifesto say or what are the 12 principles of Agile? They don't know." - Gitte Ottosen In this episode, I talk with Gitte Ottosen about cross functional teams, qual…
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From Blame to Clarity: Enhancing Team Conversations "So yes, there is a lot of communication for testers." - Maroš Kutschy In this episode, I talk to Maroš Kutschy, a QA technical lead passionate about automation testing and self-improvement. We go into the topic of nonviolent communication and its impact on tech teams. Maroš explains its four core…
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Engaging Students in Software Testing: From Test Automation to Motivation "So we have automation classes where people need to test, students need to write automation scripts and that's how they got introduced to what is a test case. And you would have to automate it." - Dmitrij Nikolajev In this episode, I talk with Dmitrij Nikolajev about teaching…
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Let's explore why great ideas often face resistance. "If you don't manage the people, if they don't feel seen and heard, your change is constantly going to be ambushed." - Mary-Lynn Manns In this episode, I chat with Mary Lynn Manns about the ever-tricky topic of change in tech. Mary Lynn is a consultant, pushing ideas forward despite resistance. W…
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How skills triumph over frameworks in effective Agile scaling "If you don't know when you're going to accept, how can I know what I need to test?" - Derk-Jan de Grood In this episode, I chat with Derk-Jan de Grood. We explore what it means to live agility beyond just following frameworks. Derk-Jan shares insights on scaling skills over frameworks a…
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Unlocking the Secrets of Property-Based Testing "So the fundamental proposition of property based testing is when the system gets too complicated, it is not possible for humans to write every test cases. So rather we want these test cases to be generated automatically." - Nikhil Barthwal In this episode, I chat with Nikhil Barthwal about property-b…
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Making Security a First-Class Citizen "Avoid custom security solutions whenever possible - they often lead to vulnerabilities." - Eoin Woods In this episode I talk with Eoin Woods about integrating security from the start of software development. Eoin, an expert in software architecture, explains why security often gets overlooked until the last mi…
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Use collaborative software design to break down silos "We try to make it visual because then you focus the conversation on what's actually there, what's in front of you." - Gien Verschatse In this episode I talk to Gien Verschatse and Kenny Baas-Schwegler about the challenges of collaborative software design, especially the disconnect between devel…
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How to increase team autonomy? "A lot of the people who are more introvert might have a better view of what actually happened in there than those who are being extroverted." - Ben Linders In this episode, I talk to Ben Linders about what really drives team autonomy and effective software development. We get into team culture, the importance of psyc…
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Creating a Quality Mindset and Build Better Software "I've seen so many times when we put something on a whiteboard, whether it's physical or virtual, it triggers an idea in somebody like, oh, I just thought of this thing that's going to save us, you know, 180% of our time." - Lisa Crispin In this episode, I talk to Lisa Crispin about holistic test…
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From Chaos to Clarity: Organizing Testing in Complex Environments "The more you understand about testing, the better you can lead it, the more you can enable people to do good quality and you can expect good quality." - Kari Kakkonen In this episode, I talk to Kari Kakkonen about his Act 2 Lead model and why testing leadership is often missing in s…
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Four Groups Every Tester Should Know "You should always combine experience-based techniques with test design techniques." - Rik Marselis In this episode, I talk with Rik Marselis about the world of test design techniques. We go into why many testers struggle to apply the methods they learn, despite their potential to enhance quality assurance. Rik …
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From Arts to Automation: The Unexpected Journey of Testers "What if testers have hobbies like acting, boat building, urban planning or even music composition?" - Isabel Evans In this episode, I talk with Isabel Evans about breaking stereotypes in the IT and testing industries. We go into the common misconceptions about testers, like the idea that t…
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AI’s Impact on Coding: Will Developers Become Obsolete? "The world runs on software; that is not going anywhere." - Kevlin Henney In this episode, I talk to Kevlin Henney to explore the future of software engineering. We go deep into timely topics like artificial intelligence, the evolving role of developers, and the skills that will matter most in…
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Trusting AI: The New Colleague in Software Development "AI is our new workforce. We need to have a hiring process for AI." - Szilárd Széll In this episode, I speak with Szilárd Széll about the transformative role of AI in software testing and business processes. Szilárd, a notable figure in the testing community, shares valuable insights on the cha…
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Opportunities and Challenges Ahead "The rise of AI in software development democratize creating software, but it raises questions about how to maintain quality." - Richard Seidl In this first episode, I talk about the concept of “Quality as an Attitude”. I strongly believe that quality is critical in all our software development processes. Since th…
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The Software-Community Podcast for Upskilling, Learning and Inspiration Hey – and welcome to Software Testing Unleashed! This is your podcast for upskilling, learning, and transforming the way you work in software development and testing. Every week, I bring you real stories, sharp minds, and practical ideas from the frontlines of software quality.…
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Denise is a Senior Engineer at GitHub, a prolific speaker, as well as an author and illustrator. In this episode, we dive deep into the role that gender plays in inclusion. What solutions can narrow the gap between men and women on engineering teams? Listen in as Wes and Denise break it down. Wes’ Takeaways: Gendered language matters We have a resp…
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Kevin Stewart is an engineering leader who has worked across multiple company stages such as Fastly, Heptio, Nodesource, and Adobe. Today, he is the VP of Engineering at Harvest. In this episode, we talk about the invisible burden that code-switching puts on underrepresented groups. How can we build D&I initiatives that actually lead to more divers…
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Zach Holman was employee number 9 at Github. He was one of their earliest engineers, and he saw the team expand to over 250 employees. Years later, he was fired from his role and has since gone on to start his own companies and advise other startups. In this episode, we talk about a really hard subject… firing and getting fired. We also cover why y…
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How do you lead the leaders on your team? Today’s guest has been developing leaders for years, and she’s sharing her insights on this episode of Scaling Software Teams. Jill Wetzler is the Head of Engineering at Pilot. Before her current role, she scaled Lyft’s Infrastructure Engineering organization from a handful of people to over 100 infra engin…
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How do you know if your one-on-ones are effective? In this episode, we’re diving deep into one-on-ones with our guest, Jason Evanish. Jason Evanish is the founder and CEO of GetLighthouse, a company that’s focused on helping develop great leaders by enabling better one-on-ones. Jason is passionate about helping teams build strong relationships, and…
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These are challenging times, especially for engineering leaders. How do you “engineer” the trust in a distributed team that would occur normally in a localized workforce? Today’s guest is here to show you how. Jeremy Wight is the VP of Product and Engineering at Base. Base raised $2.6M in 2019 to build the first software platform that’s exclusively…
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A resilient manager is the foundation of every successful team. How do you become a more resilient manager? Today’s guest is here to show you how. Lara Hogan is the co-founder of Wherewithall, the former VP of Engineering at Kickstarter, and the former Engineering Director at Etsy. She’s also the author of two books: Resilient Management and Demyst…
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Scaling Software Teams is back for Season 2! Last season we heard stories of triumph and failure from startup and scale-up leaders around the world. For Season 2, we want to do something different – we want to give you an engineering leadership survival guide so you can thrive in the midst of challenging times. This season, we’ll equip you with res…
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Brian Delahunty is the Head of Reliability at Stripe, and was the Site Lead who helped them open and hire for their Seattle office. Throughout this process, he talked to leaders at over a dozen companies who led an HQ2 effort, and learned what worked and what didn’t. Today, he’s sharing those lessons with us. In this episode, we talk about how he u…
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Liam Martin is the CoFounder of staff.com and timedoctor.com. Combined, they have 40+ employees in 9 different countries and specialize in remote long term employee management. Liam also runs the Running Remote conference, which is the world’s largest remote conference specifically designed for building remote teams. In this episode, we talk about …
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Gregory Koberger is the founder of ReadMe, a company that helps dev teams create and manage documentation and monitor APIs. He founded ReadMe after working at several startups in Silicon Valley, including Mozilla, and finding himself writing documentation for all of them. In this episode, we talk about how he uses Challenge Coins to build community…
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Ariel Camus is the Founder and CEO at Microverse, a YC-backed distributed school for software engineers. They are available anywhere in the world, and they don’t charge students anything until they get hired. In this episode, we talk about why remote workers are so much better at documentation than co-located workers, the practices that help hiring…
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This week, we bring you part two of our conversation with Doug Gaff. Doug is the VP of Engineering at Zapier, the software solution that helps your other software work together more effectively. As the leader of an organization with over 100 engineers, he has learned a lot about effective management and leadership. In this episode, we talk about Do…
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Doug Gaff is the VP of Engineering at Zapier, the software solution that helps your other software work together more effectively. His team recently crossed the 100 engineer threshold and they’re currently going through some exciting transitions as an organization. Their current inflection point has them moving from a functional focus to a vertical…
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This is the final week of our community questions series, and we saved the best for last. We're not talking about hiring...we're talking about what comes next. How can we build a world-class onboarding process that keeps our new teammates engaged from day number one? In this episode, we chat with folks from large companies who have learned a lot ab…
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The most common questions we get are about technical assessments. It's an area of concern for a lot of engineering leaders. Some believe their technical assessment is costing them great-fit candidates. Others believe they're not getting good enough information from their technical screening process. In this episode, we dive deep into actionable ins…
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There's a tension in hiring, especially with software developers. If I hire too slow, candidates withdraw. If I hire too fast, I may hire the wrong person. In this episode, we talk to engineering leaders who have threaded that needle to figure out what makes their process work. We'll discover the simple process changes that had the biggest impact o…
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Some hiring managers are elite at finding diamonds in the rough. In this episode, we're going to learn why. This week, we talked to hiring managers across the country to learn what they do differently in their hiring process to find great-fit engineers that other leaders miss. We'll also find actionable steps you can take today to find more hidden …
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On this week's episode, we're talking about hiring. More specifically, how do we find the candidate sources that are bringing us the best candidates? If our methodology is flawed here, it could bias our entire hiring process, leading to worse outcomes and more homogeneous teams. In this episode, we're learning the best practices from hiring manager…
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This week, we're talking about the scary side of a really exciting day...the day our startup raises a major round of funding. Unfortunately, more money can mean more problems. The act of raising Venture Capital looks less like receiving a cardboard check from Publisher's Clearing House and more like hiring a new boss. In this episode, we talk to en…
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Usually, we feature interviews with engineering leaders who have experienced high-growth. For the next few weeks, we're changing things up a bit. Our team has talked to hundreds of engineering, HR, and recruiting leaders in the past year. As a result, we’ve heard a lot of the same questions over and over again. We wanted to pose those questions to …
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Ryan Carroll is the VP of Engineering at Zylo, a SaaS company that helps you manage your SaaS spend. Last year, Zylo raised a $9M Series A round of funding, and they’ve been on a high-growth path ever since. Ryan has already hired 20 engineers to-date, and has plan of hiring ten more in the next year. In this episode, we discuss why the best teams …
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David Odmark is the Co-Founder and CTO of Greenlight Guru, a quality management software platform designed for medical devices companies that has undergone a ton of growth in the past year. Today, David oversees an engineering team of about 20, and is planning on ramping up hiring in the year to come. In this episode, we discuss the difference betw…
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Rukmini Reddy is the VP of Engineering at Abstract, a design management system that centralizes design decisions, feedback, Sketch files, and specs for your team. It’s kind of like Github for design. Abstract has raised over $50M in VC dollars since their founding in 2015. Today, Rukmini oversees their engineering team of about 45, and will be expa…
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