The Platform Engineering Podcast is a show about the real work of building and running internal platforms — hosted by Cory O’Daniel, longtime infrastructure and software engineer, and CEO/cofounder of Massdriver. Each episode features candid conversations with the engineers, leads, and builders shaping platform engineering today. Topics range from org structure and team ownership to infrastructure design, developer experience, and the tradeoffs behind every “it depends.” Cory brings two deca ...
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ShipTalk is the podcast series on the ins, outs, ups, and downs of software delivery. This series dives into the vast ocean Software Delivery, bringing aboard industry tech leaders, seasoned engineers, and insightful customers to navigate through the currents of the ever-evolving software landscape. Each session explores the real-world challenges and victories encountered by today’s tech innovators. Whether you’re an Engineering Manager, Software Engineer, or an enthusiast in Software delive ...
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Explore the cutting-edge world of platform engineering, the backbone of modern software development. The Platform Engineering Show podcast dives into how internal developer platforms (IDPs) are revolutionizing the way teams build, deploy, and manage applications at scale. From streamlining workflows and reducing cognitive load for developers to fostering innovation and enabling seamless collaboration across development, operations, and IT service management (ITSM), we break down the key conc ...
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A podcast about everything that happens after \`git push\` Justin Garrison & Autumn Nash explore all things DevOps, infra, cloud & running apps in production. Whether you're cloud native, Kubernetes curious, a pro SRE, or just operating a VPS... you'll love coming along for the ride. Some people search for ShipIt or ShipItFM and can't find the show, so now the strings ShipIt and ShipItFM are in our description too.
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GraphQL, MCP, and the Future of APIs with Apollo CEO Matt DeBergalis
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43:07What if your API layer could help you ship faster today and make tomorrow’s AI workflows safer and easier to build? Apollo CEO Matt DeBergalis explains how GraphQL became a practical standard for unifying messy backends, why declarative schemas and strong types are the “bedrock” for agentic systems, and where MCP fits when you want agents to call b…
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AI for Security vs Security for AI: From IBM Master Inventor to Microsoft AI Architect
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47:48Dewan Ahmed sits down with Fatih Bulut, AI Architect at Microsoft and former IBM Research Master Inventor, to separate hype from reality in AI for software delivery and cybersecurity. Fatih clarifies AI for security vs security for AI, walks through detection engineering as real software engineering, and explains proactive defense across an attack’…
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Beyond Cracking the Coding Interview with Mike Mroczka
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1:08:35Ever wondered how many “perfect” candidates simply learned the test—or how many great engineers get filtered out by bad interview design? Mike Mroczka, interview coach and ex-Googler, shares what really goes on behind technical hiring and how to navigate it to your advantage. What you’ll learn: How leaked question banks and standardized puzzles can…
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From React to Dagster: Pete Hunt on Data, Infra, and AI-Ready Platforms
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49:32Is Postgres actually a better message queue than Kafka? This provocative question is just one of many insights Pete Hunt shares in this conversation about data orchestration, platform engineering, and the evolution of infrastructure. Pete Hunt, CEO of Dagster Labs and former React co-founder at Facebook, brings his unique perspective from working a…
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Debugging Developer Productivity in an AI-native World with Aravind Putrevu (CodeRabbit)
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52:34In this episode of ShipTalk, Chinmay Gaikwad sits down with Aravind Putrevu, Head of Developer Relations at CodeRabbit, and dives into the evolving landscape of AI in software development. Aravind shares insights on the influence of AI tools across the software development lifecycle, from coding and code reviews to automation and security. Aravind …
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Building Better Platforms with Dapr: Abstractions, Portability, and Durable Systems with Mark Fussell
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48:39Cloud lock-in isn't just about where your data lives—it's about how deeply cloud-specific code permeates your applications. Mark Fussell, co-creator of Dapr and CEO of Diagrid, joins Cory O'Daniel to explore how Dapr provides clean abstractions for common distributed system patterns, enabling teams to build portable applications without sacrificing…
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DORA, DevEx, and the Role of AI with Nathen Harvey (Google Cloud)
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39:40In this kickoff episode of ShipTalk Season 4, Dewan sits down with Nathen Harvey, DORA Lead and Developer Advocate at Google Cloud, to explore how DevOps metrics and AI are transforming software delivery. From his early days in DevOps to leading the DORA initiative, Nathen shares lessons from open-source communities, the role of culture, and how AI…
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What CVEs Did for Security, CREs Are Doing for Reliability
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47:36Did you know that software engineers often "learn things the hard way" because they lack a standardized system to share knowledge about reliability issues? While security professionals have CVEs to catalog vulnerabilities, reliability engineers have been left to reinvent the wheel with each new bug or outage. Tony Meehan, co-founder and CTO of Preq…
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From Windows Kernel to AI-Native Platforms: Scaling Engineering Teams and Systems with Puneet Saraswat
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41:12In this special season 3 finale of ShipTalk, host Dewan Ahmed sits down with Puneet Saraswat, VP of Engineering at Harness, for an inspiring conversation about engineering leadership, system design, and the evolution of software delivery. What You'll Learn: Career Journey: Follow Puneet's path from discovering programming in a hot computer lab in N…
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Is Platform Engineering just for the Kool Kids?
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26:58Platform engineering is undoubtedly one of the hottest trends in IT today, rapidly gaining traction among organizations deeply embedded in DevOps practices or cloud-native architectures. According to recent insights published by Futurum Group, platform engineering is increasingly appealing to vendors focused on Kubernetes, security, and artificial …
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From DevOps to 'Vibe Coding': Gene Kim on AI-Assisted Development and Platform Engineering
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56:32What if you could turn a five-year software project into a one-month endeavor? Gene Kim, co-founder of IT Revolution and author of The Phoenix Project, reveals how AI-powered Vibe Coding is transforming the way developers work. Kim shares insights from his upcoming book about how developers are achieving unprecedented productivity, including how hi…
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The Future of Platform Engineering: Roles, Security & AI in Practice
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24:37In the latest episode of the Platform Engineering show, Alan and Luca dive into the evolving world of platform engineering, exploring why it’s gaining traction and how it’s reshaping team structures with new, specialized roles. They unpack how security is becoming a core part of platform strategy—and take a look at the growing influence of AI on ob…
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Snyk’s Danny Allan on Making Security Developer-Friendly
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45:26Security often feels like a roadblock to developers, but what if it could be seamlessly integrated into the development process? As software delivery becomes increasingly automated and self-service, the traditional approach to security needs a major overhaul. Danny Allan, CTO at Snyk, shares practical insights on transforming security from a bottle…
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Virtualizing Kubernetes: Efficiency and Developer Experience with Lukas Gentele from Loft Labs
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37:24In this episode of the ShipTalk podcast, co-host Eric Minick talks with Lukas Gentele, co-founder and CEO of LoftLabs, about revolutionizing Kubernetes infrastructure through virtualization. Lukas shares his entrepreneurial journey starting from age 16 and explains how his company pivoted to create vcluster, a technology that virtualizes Kubernetes…
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vCluster with Lukas Gentele: Rethinking Kubernetes Multi-Tenancy
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40:56Are your platform teams constantly saying "no" to requests for new Kubernetes clusters? The traditional approach to Kubernetes multi-tenancy forces organizations to choose between cluster sprawl or restrictive namespaces - neither of which fully meets the needs of modern development teams. Lukas Gentele, CEO and co-founder of Loft Labs, shares how …
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Beyond Rebranding: Building Effective Platform Engineering Teams
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36:20Join host Alan Shimel and co-host Luca Galante in this episode of The Platform Engineering Show as they dive into key challenges in platform engineering. They discuss the pitfalls of simply rebranding DevOps teams, the need for upskilling rather than renaming roles, and the difficulty of finding true platform product managers. The conversation expl…
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Building Real-World Platforms: Abby Bangser on CNCF, Kratix, & Syntasso
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53:54When organizations grow beyond using third-party platforms, they face a critical challenge: how to build internal platforms that enable teams to work efficiently while maintaining security and compliance. Abby Bangser, founding principal engineer at Syntasso, shares insights on creating real-world platforms that strike the right balance between sta…
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Smart TV Testing Made Simple with Dave Lucia of TV Labs
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47:50Testing smart TV applications presents unique challenges that traditional web testing approaches can't solve. Dave Lucia, CTO and co-founder of TV Labs, shares how his team built a platform that virtualizes televisions and set-top boxes to help media companies test their smart TV apps on physical devices. Learn about TV Labs' innovative architectur…
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ShipTalk S03E08 - From Motocross to Microservices (Kyle Galbraith, CEO of depot.dev)
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40:28In this episode, Dewan sits down (virtually) with Kyle Galbraith, co-founder of Depot, to explore his unique journey from motocross videographer to startup founder. Kyle shares how his early experiences in film and programming shaped his approach to solving technical problems, and why he co-founded Depot to tackle the challenge of slow build proces…
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DevOps Decoded: Navigating the ServiceNow Ecosystem with Ron Gidron
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46:59In this edition of ShipTalk podcast, Ron Gidron, CEO of X Type, discusses the unique challenges of DevOps in platform-based environments like ServiceNow, emphasizing the complexities of managing multiple code bases and environments. He highlights the importance of visibility, governance, and automation in modern software development, sharing insigh…
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Trust, Lock-in, And Better Infrastructure Management
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1:03:05Why do 70% of organizations still struggle to adopt infrastructure as code? Sören Martius, CPO and co-founder of Terramate, joins Cory O'Daniel to tackle the challenges of modern infrastructure management and the delicate balance between vendor trust and lock-in. The conversation explores practical solutions for common infrastructure challenges, fr…
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Write It Down: Brendan O'Leary from Prefect.io
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38:12Brendan O’Leary shares his journey from helping GitLab scale to IPO to his current role at Prefect.io, focusing on Pythonic orchestration. He explains why Prefect chose Python and how orchestration tools like Prefect complement CI/CD platforms like GitLab CI/CD and Harness in DevOps workflows. We discuss the evolution of Developer Relations, its RO…
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Meeting Developers In Their Existing Workflows: The Terrateam Advantage
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57:02Building infrastructure tooling doesn't require massive VC funding or a huge team - just ask Malcolm Matalka, co-founder of bootstrapped Terrateam. Malcolm shares his journey from real estate websites to investment banking to biotech, before landing in infrastructure automation. Learn how Terrateam takes a unique "libraries over frameworks" approac…
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Minimum Viable Platform: A framework for Platform Engineering Success
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29:57Many platform teams never successfully leave the planning phase before they lose funding. Many fall apart after building something large, time consuming, and expensive that nobody uses. The Minimum Viable Platform framework provides a structure and process to start fast and small in a way that lets you demonstrate value to stakeholders and ensure b…
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Beyond GitOps: Rethinking Cloud Self-Service with Dave Williams
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1:16:17Is GitOps holding your team back? In this thought-provoking conversation with Massdriver co-founder Dave Williams, we challenge conventional wisdom around cloud infrastructure management and explore why traditional approaches to compliance and self-service may be creating more problems than they solve. Discover how leading organizations are moving …
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What Does it Actually Mean?
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36:53The platform-as-a-product mindset is perhaps the key differentiator between platform engineering and neighbor disciplines like DevOps, SRE, or I&O. In this episode, we will cover where it came from, and dive into the why, the what, and the established best practices.platformengineeringpodcast által
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Breaking Down Healthcare Delivery Barriers with Joel Vasallo
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50:49Feeling overwhelmed by the number of apps you need to manage while building developer trust, managing costs, and trying to create an extensible platform that teams actually want to use? Joel Vasallo shares practical insights from scaling TAG's platform engineering initiatives across multiple healthcare organizations. Learn how his team transformed …
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Why Do Platform Engineers Make More than DevOps Engineers?
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35:44Two consecutive "State of Platform Engineering" reports have shown that platform engineers make significantly more than DevOps engineers in both Europe and North America. In this episode, we explore why. https://platformengineering.org/reports/state-of-platform-engineering-vol-3platformengineeringpodcast által
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Justin & Autumn get together one last time for a retro: favorite episodes, lessons learned, biggest surprises & what’s next. Join the discussion Changelog++ members save 8 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today! Sponsors: Sentry – When your app breaks, fix it faster with Sentry Use the code CHANGELOG when you sign u…
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Platform Engineering vs DevOps
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21:32Is platform engineering a replacement for DevOps, or is it simply a rebrand? In this first episode of "The Platform Engineering Show," hosts Alan Shimel and Luca Galante examine what platform engineering actually is, what differentiates it from DevOps, and why it has taken the industry by storm. Will it be more long-lasting than DevOps ever was? Tu…
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AI IRL at Honeycomb
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1:05:01Phillip Carter, Principal PM at Honeycomb, joins Justin & Autumn to discuss his work at Microsoft & Honeycomb, building AI infrastructure & more. Join the discussion Changelog++ members save 9 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today! Sponsors: Sentry – When your app breaks, fix it faster with Sentry Use the code CHAN…
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Cloud Migration Strategies with Alex Voorhees of 66 Degrees
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52:52Navigating cloud migrations and building modern platforms is challenging in the best of circumstances. Alex Voorhees, VP of Cloud Engineering at 66 Degrees, shares valuable lessons from helping organizations as they take on these challenges. Don’t miss his insights on: How to tackle the human and organizational challenges that come with cloud trans…
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Gerhard Lazu joins the show to discuss how Ship It! started and why you might want a general purpose language for your CI/CD. Join the discussion Changelog++ members save 8 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today! Sponsors: Sentry – When your app breaks, fix it faster with Sentry Use the code CHANGELOG when you sign …
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Public safety Kubernetes
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1:07:20Marc Boorshtein from Tremolo Security joins Justin & Autumn to talk all about running Kubernetes in the public sector. Join the discussion Changelog++ members save 8 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today! Sponsors: System Initiative – The future of DevOps automation (is here!) — System Initiative is an intuitive, p…
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Democratizing Kubernetes: The Kubefirst Journey with John Dietz
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1:05:20John Dietz, CEO and co-founder of Konstruct (formerly Kubefirst), joins us fresh from KubeCon North America to discuss the evolution of cloud-native platform adoption. John shares insights into Konstruct's mission to make Kubernetes and cloud-native technology more accessible, reducing the typical 18-month adoption timeline to minutes. The conversa…
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Abstractions and implementations
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53:14Hazel Weakly joins Justin and Autumn to talk about when to build abstractions and how to implement them. They also share experiences from tech conferences, and delve into the importance of building community and psychological safety in tech environments. Join the discussion Changelog++ members save 9 minutes on this episode because they made the ad…
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Hosting Hachyderm
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1:10:34Preston Doster joins the show to tell us what it takes to run a Mastodon server with 55,000 accounts and 11,000 monthly active users. Join the discussion Changelog++ members save 10 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today! Sponsors: Sentry – Code breaks, fix it faster. Use the code CHANGELOG when you sign up to get $…
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Executing Well in Healthcare with Jessica Kalinowski
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51:10Jessica Kalinowski, VP of DevOps and Corporate IT at Connect RN, shares her journey from corporate IT to implementing DevOps and platform engineering in a startup environment. Jessica discusses the challenges and successes of applying tech strategies in healthcare. The episode covers strategies for platform adoption, including early engineer engage…
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News & whitepapers
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1:17:10No interview this week! Instead, Justin & Autumn sit down to talk about what they’ve been learning recently. Join the discussion Changelog++ members save 8 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today! Sponsors: Fly.io – The home of Changelog.com — Deploy your apps close to your users — global Anycast load-balancing, zero…
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Infosec & OpenTelemetry
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1:08:45Maybe Jira for your kids’ chores is a good idea… Probably not. Join the discussion Changelog++ members save 11 minutes on this episode because they made the ads disappear. Join today! Sponsors: Sentry – Code breaks, fix it faster. Don’t just observe. Take action. Sentry is the only app monitoring platform built for developers that gets to the root …
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The Right Time for Adoption: DevOps Trends with Cerbos' Alex Olivier
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39:06In this episode of ShipTalk, host Dewan Ahmed sits down with Alex Olivier, the CPO and Co-founder of Cerbos, to explore the evolving landscape of DevOps and the critical role of authorization in modern software development. With a wealth of experience designing enterprise solutions, Alex shares his insights on how to balance developer productivity …
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Solomon Hykes on Docker, Dagger, and the Future of DevOps
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55:34In this episode, Solomon Hykes discusses the journey from Docker's inception to its widespread adoption, the challenges faced in open-source development, and his current work with Dagger. He explains how Dagger aims to revolutionize continuous integration by making pipelines more modular and efficient, addressing the "push and pray" problem in soft…
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